Ogres Balance Issue

[Alper]

Am i crazy or ogres kingdoms factions are OP on auto-resolve ? Every run i play ogres just dominates map everytime. I dont know if this is intended on development but i cannot be the only one thinks that is annoying. What do you think

[Ridcully]

I think that too. As Katerina you can keep the northern Ogres in Check (or wipe them). But every time the other clan obliberates the empire and becomes a steamroller. Which is kinda annoying

[FlameWar]

Wouldn't say ogres are Op in autoresolve. keep in mind most ogre untis punch in well above their tier. Yes you can defeat them as a palyer when autoresolve says loss, but except for extreme cases you can do that with any faction agaisnt any other faction as well.

Also, keep in mind that autoresolve seems to be massively broken currently. On easy it#s ludicrously weighted in the palyers favor, on normal+ it is ludicrously weighted agaisnt the player.
I hope they'll fix that soon, otherwise there'll probably be mdos to fix the autoresolve balance to bring it at least in lien with twhat it was in TWW2.

[Burjis]

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[CptVodka]

I think the ogres are crazy autoresolve too.
I'm currently playing beastmen, Slaughterhorn tribe. I just deployed 2582 (2 full stacks) against a settlement of 178 (Half a stack) ogres. Both sides averages at tier 2, with my units being on average 5 levels above theirs.
I didn't even bother to assault multiple entries. And i still ended up losing LESS amounts of manpower. I lost 83.

This was the 6th battle in a row that says "Crushing defeat" that i just roll over without any kind of strategy what so ever.

[Rhingeim]

They rarely dominate map in my campaign, and while they can be good in autoresolve, they're suffer in actual combat and require some micro, because being monstrous means that even T1 spears and archer can pose some danger to them. They also lack army-wide access to magick damage, so physical resistance on ethernal/demons is something they can struggle with.

[Fendelphi]

I dont think I have ever seen anything close to domination from the Ogres in IE.
Greasus usually ends up being dominated by Grimgor, Ghorst or Kugath, sometimes even Zhao Ming.
Skrag fairs a little better, until either Belegar, Gelt or Wurrzag comes knocking.

It is a bit different in the RoC champaign, because they have far fewer threats. Skrag has no real competitors, as he starts in a corner and everything around him is fairly passive. He will eat the Empire and then slowly expand, but is usually halted by daemonic incursions.
Greasus is also fairly isolated and wont have to fight other major powers for quite a while, allowing him to grow.

As long as they fight within the vicinity of their camps, they are tough to get rid off(compared to when not). But as mentioned above, they have several weaknesses that you can use against them.

[Triple G]

In RoC Kislev dominates every game, because they have good armor and ranged damage on almost all their units. They usually conquer everything south of the chaos wastes, and sometimes they go into it to turn 120. I don´t play longer than that. But Cathay and Kislev usually dominate every campaign, except You play Kislev for Yourself, as the other faction usually won´t focus on the norscan tribes or chaos factions first, but instead on the empire or dwarfs, or other Kislevian factions, which could be Your allies, or at least factions which pose no threat. Usually Kislev wipes out Skrag - and then Greasus if he makes it that long. Till Kislev borders Cathay. They´re unstoppable. Usually they bring 3 lvl 40+ lord fullstacks with high tier units vs one enemy stack, while a halfstack of theirs would be enough to wipe out 3 enemy fullstacks in auto-resolve.

[Burjis]

Originally posted by Burjis:

In every campaign I've played so far, the Ogre Kingdoms, especially the Disciples of the Maw, steamroll the empire, no matter what faction I play! It needs some serious balancing.

This comment goes back to pre-immortal empires on the chaos campaign map. Things were different back then.

[Basarab Laiota]

nice necro

[Vrooktar]

I have never encountered a similar issue either.
Sure, Skrag usually crushes the Border Princes, but thats about it.
What seems to keep them in check is that, while their autoresolve results against some factions are rather strong, their autoresolve performance against the Greenskins is atrocious.
I have seen full Ogre armies of decent units getting wrecked in autosolve against 10 basic savage orc units from Wurzag.
Combined with the fact that Ogre garrisons are a joke I would identify this as a core reason why Greasus NEVER survives against Grimgor and why Skrag only ever seems to do well, if he ends up allying with Wurzag.

[Defmonkey]

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[Uugly]

Ogre are terrible in late game.

[Kraehe]

In my campaigns Ogres are all dead after 20-40 turns. Without me doing anything. In very, very few games they can hold their ground against the other factions.

[Funky Monk]

who here is the foul necromancer!

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