This Demon Prince guy sucks

[Lyusander]

The chaos gods must have just given him a tiny bit more of their powers.
Dude has very bad personal combat ability and no way to improve it. Mediocre unit boosts, even when counting the set bonus. Horrible strategy mobility. Almost no strategy mechanic.
And no, being able to mix in a few pink horrors in a Khrone roster doesn't help that much.
And dude cant replenish post-battle which totally ruins the experience in the domains. When he finally gets the promised power, well that's a big nothing for him.

Edit: Maybe after finally haversted his promised power from the bear and/or becoming the new god of Kislev, they can give him a buff like 20%-100% bonus to all stats. As things stand now Belakor just shines over him all around.

P.S. normal chaos factions can get rattling weapon team and rat mortar via alliance. But no, Chaos Prince can not ally.

[Argent]

as it should be lorewise (Belakor is the one who should be since he is the only one who is daemon prince of chaos undivided in warhammer fantasy and is considered OP even in 40k and AoS; Yuri Barkov didn't even exist in the lore) but yeah he should be a little better than the chaos monogods lords

[Tiberius Lacedaemon]

I completely agree, and that's pretty damn disappointing.

The concept is pretty cool. Follow and unlock pieces from chaos gods, make him look like what you desire, until you realize that the pieces you unlock are really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage, and there's nothing in terms of "low, mid, high" tier when it comes to them, even after you pledge yourself to a specific god. You can't get strong in any way whatsoever, you're always mediocre. Combine this with the fact that you cannot equip any items, it makes it one of the worst and weakest lords in the game.

It's really beyond disappointing and I have no desire to play it. Hopefully, mods will eventually fix this problem.

The only good thing I'll say about him is that you can get army mechanics such as Bloodletting and the diseases once unlocked. That's pretty cool, but aside from that, complete trash.

[Lyusander]

Originally posted by DEverchosen:

as it should be lorewise (Belakor is the one who should be since he is the only one who is daemon prince of chaos undivided in warhammer fantasy and is considered OP even in 40k and AoS; Yuri Barkov didn't even exist in the lore) but yeah he should be a little better than the chaos monogods lords

I know, when I get Belakor and I check his stat wow that is such an improvement. I can understand Yuri is not as strong as Belakor or the big named Prime demons of the chaos factions. But any generic demon lord is better than him.

[Xaphnir]

Yeah, it kind of sucks that all of his different gear just seems to be sidegrades. Doesn't feel like he's actually getting stronger as he levels up and gains glory.

Originally posted by Tiberius Lacedaemon:

It's really beyond disappointing and I have no desire to play it. Hopefully, mods will eventually fix this problem.

I wouldn't be surprised if he gets buffed or reworked at some point.

[Argent]

Originally posted by Lysander:

Originally posted by DEverchosen:

as it should be lorewise (Belakor is the one who should be since he is the only one who is daemon prince of chaos undivided in warhammer fantasy and is considered OP even in 40k and AoS; Yuri Barkov didn't even exist in the lore) but yeah he should be a little better than the chaos monogods lords

I know, when I get Belakor and I check his stat wow that is such an improvement. I can understand Yuri is not as strong as Belakor or the big named Prime demons of the chaos factions. But any generic demon lord is better than him.

he'd be reworked don't worry. Same with Archaon...

and Archaon's dad Belakor (yup it's canon in WFB and AoS) would likely be added as well to the Mortal/Immortal Empires campaign later

[Lyusander]

Originally posted by Tiberius Lacedaemon:

I completely agree, and that's pretty damn disappointing.

The concept is pretty cool. Follow and unlock pieces from chaos gods, make him look like what you desire, until you realize that the pieces you unlock are really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage, and there's nothing in terms of "low, mid, high" tier when it comes to them, even after you pledge yourself to a specific god. You can't get strong in any way whatsoever, you're always mediocre. Combine this with the fact that you cannot equip any items, it makes it one of the worst and weakest lords in the game.

It's really beyond disappointing and I have no desire to play it. Hopefully, mods will eventually fix this problem.

The only good thing I'll say about him is that you can get army mechanics such as Bloodletting and the diseases once unlocked. That's pretty cool, but aside from that, complete trash.

The army mechanics are a pretty cool concept while disease is strong but bloodletting is a all-around medicore buff. And the seduce budget is so tight you cant seduce anyone meaningful by the time you get it.

If the chaos gods uplift Yuri just to stick it up to Belakor. I dont think they have done it right.

[Lyusander]

Originally posted by DEverchosen:

Originally posted by Lysander:

I know, when I get Belakor and I check his stat wow that is such an improvement. I can understand Yuri is not as strong as Belakor or the big named Prime demons of the chaos factions. But any generic demon lord is better than him.

he'd be reworked don't worry. Same with Archaon...

and Archaon's dad Belakor (yup it's canon in WFB and AoS) would likely be added as well to the Mortal/Immortal Empires campaign later

May Archaon's famous steed would look and feel less like a mule this time.

[Orums]

I promise you you're using him wrong and I can also promise you that you haven't leveled him up past lvl 5 or so. It's right there in your experience, written plain as day but transmogrified to a finger being pointed:

A: treat him like flying cav, missile units in the game ADORE lord and hero sniping so unless you have flying/flanking units to stop those red arrows (space button), keep him out of range or in their back line. during sieges and settlment battles he's great bait bc the AI will almost always place a tower near his deployment location and he's great for zipping over their heads and dropping a spell on the siege equipment that's tearing your nurglings to shreds.

B: Chaos undivided tree looks tempting but it's ultimately financially unsustainable for the doomstack of your dreams; but it can make lots of doomstacks. decide on (but don't pick) a dedication early, get the unlocks from the other trees that grab your interest (minotaurs) just in case you get the wild hair to mix up your armies one day. There's dozens of set bonuses on the daemon parts and unlocking them is really easy after Tier 3. I personally just 15 minutes ago found out just how BROKEN Tzeentch's gifts are. let's just say my horrors HURT now

C: UNLOCK THE TELEPORT STANCE IT HAS A RIDICULOUS AMBUSH CHANCE IF YOU SELECT AN ENEMY ARMY. literally just learned that one today

D: Enemies won't attack you if you got a half decent army guarding the shoreline until you can get garrisons built up. They'll also stay away if your power rank is high enough.

E: if all else fails, use a rift to teleport to kislev, praag, or some random place up north, doesn't matter if you've discovered it or not, cheese the siege using the woods, and get yourself a nice defensible single province capital to dedicate to your chosen god. take a few like these and you'll be able to recruit across the board from defenible locations.

bonus mentions:
-use seduce to scoop up healthy units or remove a cav option to really upset balance of power
-pick a nurgle plague that benefits your playstyle (vanguard-nurgle, vanguard-slaanesh, charge debuff-tzeentch)
-he has skills for his personal replenishment in the nurgle tree
-invest in the slaanesh tree for GLOBAL hero action success chance increases
-invest in the tzeentch tree to get teh winds of magic to flow in your favor


Do half of these things and you'll want to delete this post once you see how OP he and his armies can get if you use the tools at their disposal instead of whining about why they aren't easy to figure out. Trust me, I felt the EXACT same way about the tomb kings and sartosa. but when I put my nose to the grindstone and played to their strengths, I was steamrolling those campaigns even on legendary (never finished). each faction has stuff they're good at, the prince just has the ability to be good at whatever you want.

[Choppytehbear]

To play the devil's advocate (or Daemon, in this case), the parts affects more stats than just the ones listed. If you look at his stats on the left side while going through the parts, they do change more than what's on the part description.

[DeepDorkFantasy]

A lord with a mortis engine by turn 3 cannot be weak by any means

[Axonteer]

I guess you never equipped the chaos undevided set that gives your dudes 25% physical resistance and then charge them khorny warriors right into the enemy battle line seeing everything just "plink" off their armor. CU is much more about buffing your units and having a strategically varies rooster of units in your army rather than the smaller chaos specific lords that give you stronger buffs but limit you in certain ways.

Plus being a CU "Chaos Worshipper" is basically hard mode in a already hard universe because every god hates you. Yes you cant seduce a whole enemy army like slanesh but on the other hand, you can have Skullgrinders in a army next to Zentchian magical artillery.

I have two games going, one Nurgle and one CU and ... CU feels like you can get so much more out of minmaxing your army / buffs.
Deliberately choosing to have 3 units in your army from another good to do one specific thing your other dudes cant fulfill. Thats an appeal and a hindrance.

In general compard to WH2 they made the factions much more unique, i havent found a faction that plays like the classic 4x factions form wh2/1

[Ashley]

His strength is that he can cover a roster's weakness and use the other factions mechanics to a degree while also being able to do diverse equipment's on the fly as much as you want.

[Hangman]

They wanted to create Abaddon Despoiler from 40k but we got junk without personality , just a pokemon who can use whole chaos roster

[Chrenergros]

The concept right now is to use the set bonus. With them i've gained an huge boost to my khorne units. I've then specialised to nurgle, giving no upkeep to all my nurgle units. If this is not op... I've won the campaign with no brain to be honest.

The Daemon Prince itself is not so strong in combat, even using the best items and with this I agree with you but focus more on item set bonus, believe me.

[Lyusander]

Originally posted by Orums:

I promise you you're using him wrong and I can also promise you that you haven't leveled him up past lvl 5 or so. It's right there in your experience, written plain as day but transmogrified to a finger being pointed:

A: treat him like flying cav, missile units in the game ADORE lord and hero sniping so unless you have flying/flanking units to stop those red arrows (space button), keep him out of range or in their back line. during sieges and settlment battles he's great bait bc the AI will almost always place a tower near his deployment location and he's great for zipping over their heads and dropping a spell on the siege equipment that's tearing your nurglings to shreds.

B: Chaos undivided tree looks tempting but it's ultimately financially unsustainable for the doomstack of your dreams; but it can make lots of doomstacks. decide on (but don't pick) a dedication early, get the unlocks from the other trees that grab your interest (minotaurs) just in case you get the wild hair to mix up your armies one day. There's dozens of set bonuses on the daemon parts and unlocking them is really easy after Tier 3. I personally just 15 minutes ago found out just how BROKEN Tzeentch's gifts are. let's just say my horrors HURT now

C: UNLOCK THE TELEPORT STANCE IT HAS A RIDICULOUS AMBUSH CHANCE IF YOU SELECT AN ENEMY ARMY. literally just learned that one today

D: Enemies won't attack you if you got a half decent army guarding the shoreline until you can get garrisons built up. They'll also stay away if your power rank is high enough.

E: if all else fails, use a rift to teleport to kislev, praag, or some random place up north, doesn't matter if you've discovered it or not, cheese the siege using the woods, and get yourself a nice defensible single province capital to dedicate to your chosen god. take a few like these and you'll be able to recruit across the board from defenible locations.

bonus mentions:
-use seduce to scoop up healthy units or remove a cav option to really upset balance of power
-pick a nurgle plague that benefits your playstyle (vanguard-nurgle, vanguard-slaanesh, charge debuff-tzeentch)
-he has skills for his personal replenishment in the nurgle tree
-invest in the slaanesh tree for GLOBAL hero action success chance increases
-invest in the tzeentch tree to get teh winds of magic to flow in your favor


Do half of these things and you'll want to delete this post once you see how OP he and his armies can get if you use the tools at their disposal instead of whining about why they aren't easy to figure out. Trust me, I felt the EXACT same way about the tomb kings and sartosa. but when I put my nose to the grindstone and played to their strengths, I was steamrolling those campaigns even on legendary (never finished). each faction has stuff they're good at, the prince just has the ability to be good at whatever you want.

Dude I just unlocked All Soulds Slain the Demon prince victory achievement.
I'm not saying his army is bad, it's mediocre. And himself is really bad in terms of demon legendary lords. Try Khrone or Slannesh, or even Tzeentech, they have great lord, army and mechanicals.