Please make the AI cheat less obviously

[CasualMochi]

I just encountered a faction, with one small outpost, 225 profit full control. Supporting 2 armies with one 13 and the other 8 soul grinders.

I I also encountered a Kislev army with one wizard that could rain down hailstorm after hail storm after hail storm (that one shots half my army.) At on point there were 2 hailstorms active at the same time.

I get making an AI that can "think smart" is difficult so you make the AI cheat as easy solution. But atleast try to hide it.

Edit: as people missing the point let me clearify some things

This is not about the AI cheating, about winning or losing or about the game being to hard or to easy.

I have had a education on game design, I know why a AI needs to cheat a little for the sake of enjoyment. We don't want an AI that is really smart because we want to enjoy the game and it's power fantasy. However it is about the WAY the AI cheats in this game that it is so clear and in your face. That you can't no longer fall back upon the suspension of disbelief.

It's like playing monopoly where the losing AI can get a small amount of money under the table and weighted dice. I will still notice it but I easily ignore it for the enjoyment of the game. Or (what is happening now in warhammer) the AI is reaching over the table, looking you straight in the eyes smiling proclaiming he is going to pick money out of the bank, and does it.

I don't say "huhu cheating AI is bad."
I say: and I quote "atleast try to hide it."

[Guardian of the Blind]

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

the ai only cheats with money and unit experience. they can't recruit more units per turn than you in the same circumstances. They therefore definitely had something, that increased their recruitement capacity.

What they needed to pull that off is a late game research and a province stance.
They had neither.

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

[Kharnath]

considering that the ai can build 2 full stacks of tier 2 and 3 armies with only 1 settlement. yeah the ai cheats.

but it has done so in every total war game. my biggest gripe is the ai perfectly kiting my armies, then sacking my settlements and ending their turn one step out of reach of my armies. only to dart away in march the next turn

[Malaficus Shaikan]

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

What they needed to pull that off is a late game research and a province stance.
They had neither.

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1712229601&searchtext=no+ai+cheat

I take there word over yours.

[Sure_hand]

引用自 Kharnath：

considering that the ai can build 2 full stacks of tier 2 and 3 armies with only 1 settlement. yeah the ai cheats.

but it has done so in every total war game. my biggest gripe is the ai perfectly kiting my armies, then sacking my settlements and ending their turn one step out of reach of my armies. only to dart away in march the next turn

yeah homie i feel your pain ♥♥♥♥ is so dumb

[Guardian of the Blind]

引用自 Kharnath：

considering that the ai can build 2 full stacks of tier 2 and 3 armies with only 1 settlement. yeah the ai cheats.

but it has done so in every total war game. my biggest gripe is the ai perfectly kiting my armies, then sacking my settlements and ending their turn one step out of reach of my armies. only to dart away in march the next turn

That's why you need to utilize all mechanics in the game. Why would the AI let catch themselves? You need to use ambush stance to catch a enemy army. Ambush stance is your best friend.

[Macho Chunko]

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

What they needed to pull that off is a late game research and a province stance.
They had neither.

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

A wrong fact, in WH2 on higher difficulty levels the AI got cheats for more recruitment slots so it's not that far off to say they have the same thing in WH3 since CA only said they reduced cheats in battle difficulties for melee.

[Macho Chunko]

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1712229601&searchtext=no+ai+cheat

I take there word over yours.

Funny how you could just play on normal if you want to avoid cheats lmao

[Malaficus Shaikan]

引用自 Macho Chunko：

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1712229601&searchtext=no+ai+cheat

I take there word over yours.

Funny how you could just play on normal if you want to avoid cheats lmao

Funny how you cant.
Play warhammer 2 with and without that mod.
Just one battle on normal.
Its like night and day.

[John Cena]

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

What they needed to pull that off is a late game research and a province stance.
They had neither.

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

bro the game files show that they get +4 local recruitment on legendary.

https://twwstats.com/campaigndifficulties?right=6009914752132233841

[Macho Chunko]

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

引用自 Macho Chunko：

Funny how you could just play on normal if you want to avoid cheats lmao

Funny how you cant.
Play warhammer 2 with and without that mod.
Just one battle on normal.
Its like night and day.

No it's not, stop making nonsense up. If you need a gaming journalist mode just say so instead of acting as if the game is always stacked against the player on normal lmao

[Ryan Gosling (literally me)]

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

引用自 Malaficus Shaikan：

I remember that time in warhammer total war 2 where i caught the ai building 5 troops in one turn.
With 1 settlement.

the ai only cheats with money and unit experience. they can't recruit more units per turn than you in the same circumstances. They therefore definitely had something, that increased their recruitement capacity.

bingo. these kids complaining are new to the series and do not understand the games mechanics.

[Ryan Gosling (literally me)]

引用自 Supreme Leader：

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

I can guruantee you, that they had something you simply did not know, that it exists. They do not cheat with recruitment, that is a fact.

bro the game files show that they get +4 local recruitment on legendary.

https://twwstats.com/campaigndifficulties?right=6009914752132233841

lmao thats on legendary....

[Ryan Gosling (literally me)]

引用自 RoxStar：

引用自 Covoid：

sounds like YOU need cheats to win. git gud.

You are completely missing the point here, it's not about the game being difficult or easy.

The fact people say "you need to know how to cheese the AI" is fundamentally a wrong game design. It's a grand strategy game, I can't make a grand strategy if the opponent simply cheats its way out of everything I throw at him. You can't "get gud" against a system that cheats its way out of there other then basically cheating the system yourself by cheesing it.

I can cheese the system if I want to, but I don't want to. I don't want the same cheese tactic again, and again, and again so I win. I want to make a strategy, be creative about my solutions.

Git gud comes from dark souls, where you rage, you lose. so you have to die, think what could go better and try again. you have to get good. Using a cheese tactic over and over again doesn't make you good. it makes you a one trick pony.

lmfao!!! you do not need to "cheese" to beat the AI on normal. L2P.

[Kharnath]

引用自 Guardian of the Blind：

引用自 Kharnath：

considering that the ai can build 2 full stacks of tier 2 and 3 armies with only 1 settlement. yeah the ai cheats.

but it has done so in every total war game. my biggest gripe is the ai perfectly kiting my armies, then sacking my settlements and ending their turn one step out of reach of my armies. only to dart away in march the next turn

That's why you need to utilize all mechanics in the game. Why would the AI let catch themselves? You need to use ambush stance to catch a enemy army. Ambush stance is your best friend.

does not work all the time though, they will circle back and attack something else. and armies can now escape ambushes so it's not that great anymore especially against the skave. they will beeline to the exit or rout and still beeline to the exit faster than you can catch them because skaven

[Ginshadow]

引用自 RoxStar：

引用自 Covoid：

play on normal or easy then. ai wont cheat anymore.

I played on normal =.=!

play o easy then... the game become already quickly easy on normal... idk if AI really have advantage but if it's true i guess it's for the best