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FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:20pm

Remove Denuvo please.

The last two have abysmal loading times because of Denuvo. Its impossible to jump into real time battles without the game grinding to a halt for a few minutes. Its just pathetic. I own the last two, but I'm not buying this one unless you remove it. Its just a waste of time.

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Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:22pm

SSD

FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:23pm

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:
SSD

I have one.

Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:24pm

Then you shouldn't be having "minutes" long loadings.

FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:27pm

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:
Then you shouldn't be having "minutes" long loadings.

1. Its slow regardless.
2. Paying consumers are only experiencing abysmal download times because of Denuvo hampering the game, that is what you are defending.
3. Last time around I think TWW2 (A game I own on Steam before you come at me) Denuvo got cracked in 10 hours of launch. Its a complete waste of time and slows down your game for no reason, but not the copy pirates have.

Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:31pm

What is "slow" then? Do you have any measure of the effect denuvo is having here? Or do you just think removing Denuvo would somehow give you what? 5s long loadings? I don't particularly care or not for Denuvo, all I know is it has had worse and better cases of implementation.
It might have been cracked day 1, but it went un-recracked for over a year at some point.

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FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:35pm

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:
Do you have any measure of the effect denuvo is having here? I don't particularly care or not for Denuvo, all I know is it has had worse and better cases of implementation.
It might have been cracked day 1, but it went un-recracked for over a year at some point.

I can do a quick google search on your behalf, or I could tell you about the other Denuvo games I've mistakenly bought in the past and how they've performed compared to everything else in my library. I remember seeing as recently as Doom Eternal, people doing benchmark test pre/post Denuvo patch and measuring marked performance drops.

Its well documented that it impacts the performance of games, I've experienced it first hand. Even in games with a light implementation like Battlezone I've seen it completely tank my friends computer whilst eating all of my memory. Denuvo is the video game equivalent of cancer.

Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:38pm

Ye, but pointing at the worst cases is cherry picking. It would have to be shown a heavy effect in the majority of cases. Problem is having access to actual versions with and without denuvo. Are cracks the same as "not" having it at all, or is there still some possible effect...

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FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:52pm

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:
Ye, but pointing at the worst cases is cherry picking. It would have to be shown a heavy effect in the majority of cases. Problem is having access to actual versions with and without denuvo. Are cracks the same as "not" having it at all, or is there still some possible effect...

Battlezone and Doom Eternal are probably some of the better cases as they use a "light" version of Denuvo, as far as how bypassing it works that comes down to either stripping Denuvo entirely or tricking its authentication, I guess that would be a case by case basis thing.

According to a video I'm linking only one game has been cracked in such a way that resulted in Denuvo being removed entirely, however bypassing certain functionality of Denuvo can also result in less CPU load. But ultimately yes, everyone suffers when a developer implements Denuvo, especially those paying money.

If you don't like cherry picking here's a pretty infamous benchmark video with numerous examples of Denuvo hindering game performance, the impact ranges from small but significant to dramatic performance increases without: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DD-txK9_Q

My view is if you are paying a developer for their product, you deserve the best possible performance out of it. Denuvo is anti-consumer and at the least, should be removed after it is cracked, as its doing nothing at that point but hurting consumers without counteracting piracy.

Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:58pm

"Denuvo is anti-consumer and at the least, should be removed after it is cracked, as its doing nothing at that point but hurting consumers without counteracting piracy."

If development in that product has ended yes, but if it's still going to get new updates that means the pirated version will also need re-cracking.

FRIENDLY MAN Mar 10, 2021 @ 2:01pm

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:
"Denuvo is anti-consumer and at the least, should be removed after it is cracked, as its doing nothing at that point but hurting consumers without counteracting piracy."

If development in that product has ended yes, but if it's still going to get new updates that means the pirated version will also need re-cracking.

If DLC is a factor, yes. In the case of TWWII, my understanding is that is no longer the case, and Denuvo has fulfilled its purpose, yet Creative Assembly will likely not remove it. Same goes for TWWI.

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Elitewrecker PT has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 2:03pm

WH2 will get one last DLC in the next couple months.
But for WH1 that's true.

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(N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★ has Total War: WARHAMMER III

Mar 10, 2021 @ 9:14pm

Well, all I have to say is denuvo itself isnt bad it is how it is applied by developers.

There are way to many articles, research, and proven examples of games that had it on and then off having 0-3 fps difference to flat out say denuvo is the reason.

Not to mention most 'test' videos are done showing game with denuvo then game with denuvo + optimization patch and thrown as fair comparisons.

Yeah there are FEW games where denuevo on and off shown to have 5+ fps issues but again way to many other games have no difference.

If you are experiencing 'mins' loading it honestly seems like another hardware issue if you already have an SSD. My load times are less than 10 seconds. Turn times are absolutely bad but I love how much is in I rather not have that changed.

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