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Merlin69 Jun 19, 2023 @ 2:31am
Apiary
Where to get the bees?
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Goldi_Toplitz  [developer] Jun 19, 2023 @ 2:32am 
They come on their own. :)
Jaunitta 🌸 Jun 19, 2023 @ 3:09am 
The Apiary is unlocked at 5,000 Farming tech points.
Hire a bee hive worker or harvest the Apairy for the honey yourself.
more information here
https://medieval-dynasty.fandom.com/wiki/Honeycomb
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2845248866
Dutchgamer1982 Jun 19, 2023 @ 6:53am 
Originally posted by nl_toplitz:
They come on their own. :)

as a hobby bee keeper irl.. thats usually NOT very realistic;)

in the wild 75% of bee hives do not survive the winter.

if well maintained by a bee keeper (take actions against mites at multiple points in the year, merge smaller hives together, in autum take away their honey and give them sugar instead (the protain in honey actually gives them constipation in winter, sugar is better for the bees in winter, rest of years not so much), their entrance made small in winter (so mice and bugs cannot enter, yet larger again in summer)... etc etc
**than that deathrate drops to only 25% of hives do not survive in winter.

to replace these hives that have been killed :
bees start to make extra queens in februari, even before the winter is truelly over.. (they have a incubation period of a little under a month)
->
hives exist of 1 queen, 1000 male bees (useless aholes who do 0 work, and eat honey, and cannot even sting.. you will want as little of those as possibible) and upto 59000 worker bees.
a worker bee grows in 14 days from egg to bee. life the only thing that makes a queen is different food.. but this different food needs to start being given in the first week of these 14 days to get a healthy queen..
**
birth to death a worker bee lives 4 weeks.. and all do the same work cyclus
-in week 1 they max wax (no other age they do this) and take care of the nursery
-in week 2 they start guarding the entrance (fighter bees, the defenders, even if there is any attack only these will actually fight back)
-in week 3&4 they will gather honey.

each time a queen hatches, the OLD queen, will live will all flying bees (so those that are in the 3d and 4th week of their life,
this means halve your hive...

**this can happen multiple times in a row.. leaving you with only a very small number of bees (eventually the population will drop so low, the workers will outright kill any remaining queens that have not yet born... and this swarming will stop.

this swarming happens in march-may

as a bee keeper you try your best to PREVENT your hives swarming.. you do not want to loose halve your bees... as than that hive will be buisy all year recovering, delivering no honey. to prevent swarming, simply look every few days in the hive, if you notice any queen larvea.. kill them. no queens being born.. no swarming.
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**if we do need to replace dead hives, we can simpy localise the queen... leave her beand take most the other bees in a hive and shake them off.. in a fresh hive. what will happen is all the 3 and 4 year old bees will fly back to their queen, the rest will remain in the new hive.
**than you take some of the eggs from the original hive and place those in the new hive... now these workers (remember week 1 and 2 ones will build, nurse and guard).. will notice there is no queen around, and start feeding some the queen jelly..

**a healthy hive can swarm upto 8 times a year... (if they have plenty of honey stocked.. they can survive the lower population.,.. as they only have to grow back to at least 12.000 but ideally 20.000 bees before winter, so 1/5th to 1/3d of a full hive size.. to survive the winter... and if that's an old hive with plenty of room in a good spot, with lots of honey.. it can do this.
**however if the hive has anything against it.. like if it was a harsh winter.. or even if just 3 weeks of bad weather just after swarming (so that the new queen cannot get out to get pregnant) it can still die off.

**most swarms in nature die... they leave with only filled bellies (they will fill up before swarming).. they have no shelter... they will try to find a place to build a hive, often in the wild they fail (this is where bee keepers boost survival rates by a lot, as we catch these swarms as we spot them, before rain and hunger weathers them down.. put them in a hive thats a good spot for them, and give them some already build wax windows -> so they can imediatly start laying eggs + some honey -> so they have some reserves.
(these can be taken from any other hive)

it IS possible that you luck out and a swarm decides to move into an empty hive but not likely,

---this game takes place in middle ages.. in those days.. the common way to obtain bees was different...
***the technique to truelly hold bees was not yet known.. honey often was gained by huntsman who spotten hives in the wild forests. (with a lot more forest and dead hollow wood around.. that was than also more plausible) he could just kill of this hive and take the honey, but alternatively, he would still take the honey, but scoop the bees in a woven basket (a hive but not how a modern one looks)
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these hives were often sold to monastries..
**the way to HARVEST honey than was different too.. not like now.. taking the honey, but letting the bees survive, instead the bees were killed off in autum (often by burning sulphur) the basket cut to pieces to take out the honey...
all winter they could than weave new baskets, and in spring the huntsman would go out to spot new hives in the wild to capture..
Last edited by Dutchgamer1982; Jun 19, 2023 @ 6:53am
Goldi_Toplitz  [developer] Jun 19, 2023 @ 6:55am 
Game mechanic sometimes beats reality.
Wizard of Woz Jun 19, 2023 @ 7:07am 
Wow that is alot of information no one asked for...
Burnout_122812 Jun 19, 2023 @ 7:26am 
To put that much depth into something that you can't (or shouldn't) spend that much time on just wouldn't fit the game play. Games usually tend to have a false sense of reality for the sake of game mechanics. If you want full immersion I guess being an actual bee keeper is the way to go.
Last edited by Burnout_122812; Jun 19, 2023 @ 7:26am
Burnout_122812 Jun 19, 2023 @ 8:50am 
And speaking of bees...no way to get that snazzy bee keeper outfit for your character is there?
Dutchgamer1982 Jun 19, 2023 @ 8:59am 
Originally posted by Wizard of Woz:
Wow that is alot of information no one asked for...

some might enjoy it;)
Dutchgamer1982 Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:00am 
Originally posted by Burnout_122812:
And speaking of bees...no way to get that snazzy bee keeper outfit for your character is there?

in middle ages they did not always use one... some bee keepers today don't...
yeah it's brutal.. but if you know what you doing.. you won't get stung.. that much.
you have those documentairy's of tribesman who go hunt for honey in jungles today.. climbing in nothing but shorts. on bare foot and bare chested in a 100 meter high tree.. dangling on a branch of that tree.. 20 meter away from the trunk... hacking away at a bees hive stealing their honey.... lowering it piece by piece with a basket on a rope down to the forest floor to your mates.. while a gazillion african bees hammer down on you..
and you don't even blink...
**I couldn't do it.. but it likely is a lot more medieval;)

now medieval times :
but in truth those lumberjack would like that tribesman just grab the honey.. from that wild tree..
while the monk would have some sort of suit (basicly a hooded robe, with reed-basket like woven plate closing the front of the hood as faceshield.. not as good as a modern suit...
you still have bare hands... and bees could get in from below... and that woven thing.. has holes that some houdiny bees still might get through.. but is does the job...

would be fun if you could craft one of those "medieval" bee suits ingame.
Last edited by Dutchgamer1982; Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:06am
Dutchgamer1982 Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:11am 
but I shared my info more for entertainment than for critique.. I agree gameplay comes before realism.. but where possible the two should go hand in hand...

-we could have bee hives apear in the wild in hollow trees.. either in standing ones or in logs on the ground.... (so a limited amount of honey could be hunted
**the player could smash these apart and collect honey -> the bees would than just fly away.

OR if he brought a basket.. he could keep the bees... (basket of bees in inventory)
-> and than use those to fill the hives of the apiari..

the lumberjack would than get the extra labour options
"honey collecting"
"basket of bees" (require basket in storage)
and the worker in the apiary would kill off all the bees in autum, and gather a lot of honey... and than start refilling the hives with bees in spring again.
Last edited by Dutchgamer1982; Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:11am
Mr Chill Chill Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:12pm 
In the game, all you have to do is Beelieve, and they will come.
genosound Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:25pm 
LOL butters. well that's quite interesting deep dive and here i clicked on the post for game tips as i dont have one yet lol! I am pretty sure your that kid from the new addams family with the bee suit lol. please send jenny ortega!
Mr Chill Chill Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:36pm 
Originally posted by genosound:
LOL butters. well that's quite interesting deep dive and here i clicked on the post for game tips as i dont have one yet lol! I am pretty sure your that kid from the new addams family with the bee suit lol. please send jenny ortega!
Here's a game tip.... Honey is great for profit at the market stalls. Apiarists level up quickly, and in their down season (winter) you can use them elsewhere if needed. I have four apiarists working daily to fund my mead consumption as I don't drink water any longer. The rest of the mead and honey is sold off.
Kwalyz Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:50pm 
Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:
Here's a game tip.... Honey is great for profit at the market stalls. Apiarists level up quickly, and in their down season (winter) you can use them elsewhere if needed. I have four apiarists working daily to fund my mead consumption as I don't drink water any longer. The rest of the mead and honey is sold off.
Not only does the apiary not require animal feed …. the honeycomb never degrades in the food storage chest so you can built an apiary and start collecting the honeycomb before you’ve unlocked the tavern and/or market stalls.
Last edited by Kwalyz; Jun 19, 2023 @ 9:51pm
Morri Jun 19, 2023 @ 11:21pm 
Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:
I have four apiarists working daily to fund my mead consumption as I don't drink water any longer.
Now I imagine a whole village of exceptionally cheery people just tottering along to their workplaces. Occasionally stumbling or bumping into each other as well. xD
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