Could we PLEASE take off the immediate dodge when crosshairs touch animals?????

[Spacecat]

Every time i go to hunt deer in this game now, they immediately move like they have tourettes and epileptic seizures to matrix dodge arrows.

EVERY SINGLE TIME...

I'm like 100 yards away with a bow and they telepathically know that im aiming at them?

please fix this .

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

Did you put actual points in the sneaking skill? Before the co-op update, this wasn't even necessary. But since the co-op update, it makes a HUGE difference.
If you sneak without the skill, they notice you before you can get close. If you max out the skill, it'll be a lot easier. Or use the potion, like mentioned. Those are actually useful now.
I like what they did with it.

As for them dodging; since the Oxbow update, they move a lot more unpredictable and jerk left and right. I'm hunting them with 1 skill point in sneak with wooden spears on 400% hp, and I find them very much killable. I need to stalk them for hours, and every now and then, one gets away (aka it's getting too dark to continue the hunt) which adds to my immersion. But they almost always go down in the end.

I don't see anything that needs fixing. You might prefer hunting predators, as they won't run away from you and will be easier to hit.

The dodging is ridiculous, i understand they want it immersive, and the sneak skill and potions make sense... BUT! Deer do NOT jerk around like that when they can't see you just because you have crosshairs on them. That isn't realistic that isn't fun. Its like key scripts in mortal kombat when you do any action they immediately do a move to counter it. Key reading, script reading. Cheaters in For Honor do it now. Like an auto parry that actually breaks the immersion.

Its lazy in my opion. They could get spooked and run away fast, that would be immersive. They could jump over stuff while they're running, THAT would be immersive. But when you are 100 yards away from them and as soon as you aim... they shouldn't start dancing like they're in a thriller music video... That in itself is NOT immersive and it IS a problem in my opinion.

Again, I truly don't expect anything to be done about it but i posted this all the same. I don't like it, this is my post about it. Deer don't convulse like they've been possessed by a demon on crack just because someone 100 yards away is drawing a bead on them... just no.

But other than that i enjoy the game, just that one thing is pretty annoying.

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Zoid:

Publicado originalmente por Spacecat:

doing all of that...

sneaking or walking grants the same thing, they immediately walk away no matter where i am at, if i can see them, they start walking away, and if i stay back and aim... AIM, like taking time to pull back and AIM, they will start having fits and seizures like they're NEO dodging agent bullets.

Its ridiculous.

But im sure my complaint about this isn't gonna do any good.

Honestly i don't even know why i posted it.

Silly me, oh well. Guess i'll just have to deal with it right?

I've played this game A LOT -- and you're right. Deer often seem extremely intuitive and in some terrain they can be very tough to hunt. My advice is hunt better prey. Deer are unreasonably difficult to hunt, as you say, but more importantly, the experience and material rewards are not good. It is far easier to hunt and kill boars, and the experience is far better, and the materials gained are better too. Best of all, wisent. You won't miss hunting deer. Wisent are huge targets, unfailingly standing still or headed straight toward you with their massive "can't miss" heads. They give as much experience as wolves, which is more than any animal except for a bear -- and almost twice what you get for killing a deer. But boars are just one step beneath wisent and wolves for experience, and they are very easy to kill. Who needs to hunt shy and skittish deer?

Gonna do the boars and wolves, i can shoot them from afar and draw them near to me and whack them with that iron spiked cudgel i found. Works like a charm and i dont have to chase them down like the rabbits or foxes. But the rabbits and foxes aren't a problem chasing once you get that athletics skill up to three.

Thanks for the info brother, happy hunting!

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Nomercy^:

I find the deer in this game, on either map, are no more skittish then the deer living in the woods around my house. Only these are way easier to kill with a spear or bow because if you spend a little time you will find they will only run to a certain point and then they run in basically a circle. If you learn to herd them, you can easily shoot them or spear them as the run around the "corner". As others have said, deer are not the first choice for hunting. Learn how to use trees as cover for boars and Wisent. I feel for the devs of this game... people complain things are not immersive enough, then when they get something close to real life like the deer in this game, many people claim its too hard.

deer in real life RUN when they're spooked. Deer don't have epileptic seizures on the dance floor when you aim at them. I have been hunting with my step dad who gets his limit every year like its nothing. He aims at them ALLLL the time, they don't do that. Not unless you make noise then they get out of there. THAT would be immersive. Not being 100 yards away and then aiming at them. That doesn't cause deer to turn into a bobble head in an earthquake.

I get you like the game and want to defend those poor poor devs making millions off of the game, but its an annoying game mechanic. I am not calling for the crucifixion of the devs, i clearly stated that i am sure nothing will get done about it. Am i gonna still play it? YES! Will i hunt the cracked out glitching neck twisting deer while i do it? NO! lol

I just wanted to talk to people about it. And i did. I feel satisfied with my post. No need to rush to the devs rescue no one is calling for blood.

And by the way, stop feeding the deer by your house crack if they act like that in your back yard. I had one in my back yard (well, across the allyway up to the fence) and acted like i was shooting it. Guess what it DIDN'T do? Thats right. It DIDN'T look like a character from a 2000's horror movies shaking its darn head. Thats what it didn't do...

[Living Death]

I agree with Zoid, chase boar instead. Enter their territory, listen out for their frustrated calls and two wooden spears thrown at their head brings them down. 25 ish meat and 5 leather. They are excellent both early and late game.

[Morri]

Publicado originalmente por Spacecat:

BUT! Deer do NOT jerk around like that when they can't see you just because you have crosshairs on them. That isn't realistic that isn't fun. Its like key scripts in mortal kombat when you do any action they immediately do a move to counter it.
...
But when you are 100 yards away from them and as soon as you aim... they shouldn't start dancing like they're in a thriller music video... That in itself is NOT immersive and it IS a problem in my opinion.

That's not my experience though. I just tested it out in case i didn't notice and it's not the case. As long as they haven't noticed me yet, I can move my crosshair over them as often as I like, and they won't react. They only react once I get too close and they notice me. It doesn't matter if I have my weapon on them or not.
And when I'm chasing, they move left and right randomly, regardless whether I have my crosshair on them or not. It doesn't affect them at all.

I am hunting with a spear though; due to self restrictions I don't own a bow yet. Is it different with bows?

[Morri]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

I am hunting with a spear though; due to self restrictions I don't own a bow yet. Is it different with bows?

Just tested it out on another save where I have a bow (longbow, bronze poison arrows). As long as they don't notice me, I can draw my bow and aim my crosshair on them as much as I want. It doesn't affect them. Only when I get to close, they get spooked and run off.

[kyew]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

I am hunting with a spear though; due to self restrictions I don't own a bow yet. Is it different with bows?

Just tested it out on another save where I have a bow (longbow, bronze poison arrows). As long as they don't notice me, I can draw my bow and aim my crosshair on them as much as I want. It doesn't affect them. Only when I get to close, they get spooked and run off.

Same here. I've never seen this happen as he's describing it. Makes me think it might be a thing with hardware/software interaction. It isn't a game mechanic anyway, or there would be a LOT more people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about it. I would too probably.

[The REAL chris]

I use an iron crossbow and iron bolts, already loaded so all I need to do is point and fire. I think that (it seems) the dear can actually hear the drawstring on the bow.... I figured it must be the wind

(or maybe I should have walked in the river before hunting...)//
Hang on ...sniff sniff.... {smells own armpit} Yup that could be it...

[Foxglovez]

Read through all these and Chris has the answer. I never bother with deer until I have an iron crossbow and poisoned iron arrows. Even then I preload the bow. And mostly unless a deer falls down in front of me or I need a few skulls I don't bother with them at all. It's much better to go after the not so wily moose. Or early on boars and wolves. Even bears and wisents are much less a waste of time. Deer are just too annoying.
To practice my aim I shoot eagles and hawks. But for any of them I skin the critter I killed and immediately load up my crossbow so am ready to shoot again, I take my first moneys and buy one if a kindly bandit doesn't leave me one, problem solved. And always try for a head shot if you can.

[Zoid]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

Did you put actual points in the sneaking skill? Before the co-op update, this wasn't even necessary. But since the co-op update, it makes a HUGE difference.
If you sneak without the skill, they notice you before you can get close. If you max out the skill, it'll be a lot easier. Or use the potion, like mentioned. Those are actually useful now.
I like what they did with it.

As for them dodging; since the Oxbow update, they move a lot more unpredictable and jerk left and right. I'm hunting them with 1 skill point in sneak with wooden spears on 400% hp, and I find them very much killable. I need to stalk them for hours, and every now and then, one gets away (aka it's getting too dark to continue the hunt) which adds to my immersion. But they almost always go down in the end.

I don't see anything that needs fixing. You might prefer hunting predators, as they won't run away from you and will be easier to hit.

I like this explanation and response. My experience is completely post-Oxbow; that's all I know. It also dovetails with Chris' later post about the differences between hunting with bows versus crossbows. Perhaps those other players who act like they never witnessed the skittish, jinking deer phenomenon respond the way they do because they in fact never did experience it.

Speaking for myself, I never have developed the sneaking skill, nor have I used the camouflage potions while hunting deer, so I find your explanation quite plausible.

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

I am hunting with a spear though; due to self restrictions I don't own a bow yet. Is it different with bows?

Just tested it out on another save where I have a bow (longbow, bronze poison arrows). As long as they don't notice me, I can draw my bow and aim my crosshair on them as much as I want. It doesn't affect them. Only when I get to close, they get spooked and run off.

well then i have a different version of the game because it IS happening when i do it.

Dude, lol, why would i post this? Just to lie about this?

Stop gaslighting me. its happening and other people on this post have said they saw it as well.

[Morri]

Publicado originalmente por Spacecat:

Dude, lol, why would i post this? Just to lie about this?

Stop gaslighting me. its happening and other people on this post have said they saw it as well.

No need to get all defensive, I'm not gaslighting you. I'm telling you what I experience: I'm sitting in sneak mode with a deer a bit away from me that hasn't noticed me yet. I'm drawing my bow on it so it becomes a cross-hair and it's not responding at all until i move a bit closer.
I do have max sneak on that character, so maybe that plays a part?

Edit: this is on the Valley map btw; but that shouldn't matter; animal behaviour in Oxbow works the same way.

[Ralle]

Dont feel cornered Spacecat; i think we are still on the hunt for the difference what causes all of this. Not denying your experience. I'll do some testing too now.
Still, i want the Armpit-theory by The REAL Chris to be true so much :)
Hop y'all can solve this.

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Ralle:

Dont feel cornered Spacecat; i think we are still on the hunt for the difference what causes all of this. Not denying your experience. I'll do some testing too now.
Still, i want the Armpit-theory by The REAL Chris to be true so much :)
Hop y'all can solve this.

it happens. I witnessed it when i played the game and tried to hunt deer. It has happened before i even shot at them.

Either way im just gonna chalk it up as a loss and move on. Boar and wolves from now on.

[Spacecat]

Publicado originalmente por Morri:

Publicado originalmente por Spacecat:

Dude, lol, why would i post this? Just to lie about this?

Stop gaslighting me. its happening and other people on this post have said they saw it as well.

No need to get all defensive, I'm not gaslighting you. I'm telling you what I experience: I'm sitting in sneak mode with a deer a bit away from me that hasn't noticed me yet. I'm drawing my bow on it so it becomes a cross-hair and it's not responding at all until i move a bit closer.
I do have max sneak on that character, so maybe that plays a part?

Edit: this is on the Valley map btw; but that shouldn't matter; animal behaviour in Oxbow works the same way.

maybe because your sneak is maxed. if that is what the devs want, so be it.

I'm just not gonna hunt deer, and go hunt something that doesn't act like its been possessed by Captain Howdy.

THE POWER OF AIMING COMPELS YOU!

Also it breaks from immersion, i've never seen deer in real life have a seizure because someone was aiming at them, bow OR rifle. But these deer... hooboy do they just KNOW that you're aiming at them.

Also i was using a regular bow and a long bow and noticed it more with the regular bow. So if that is the "mechanic" they're going for with the deer then so be it, im just gonna move on now lol.