Why is Soup terrible?

[Maehlice]

I'm looking at this from a nutrition standpoint.

4 Meat + 3 Beetroot = 76 food
1 Soup = 45 food

Why does cooking soup decrease its nutrition?

[Ext.]

especially when the game at one point tells you to mix ingredients with meat to get better nutrition

[Maehlice]

Originally posted by Extrenix:

especially when the game at one point tells you to mix ingredients with meat to get better nutrition

Yeah for real. Only Potage and Meat with Gravy even do that -- but only by a couple points

For all the effort that goes into making the bowls & plates and then cooking it, it's more efficient to just have the villagers eat everything raw.

At least in v1, Meat went from 2 food to 5/6/7 by drying/roasting/salting.

[galadon3]

Yea others might not be a net loss but also give very little benefit. The boosts they give might be a reason to use them personally but don't make sense when it comes to NPCs.
Haven't done the math, does it at least pay for selling them?

Given the higher nutriton of meat now and the fact that the hunters produce less, it would make sense to decrease the amount of meat needed for those recipes.
(guess thats why meat with gravy and Potage even work, both use more vegetables then meat)

[Maehlice]

Originally posted by galadon3:

Yea others might not be a net loss but also give very little benefit. The boosts they give might be a reason to use them personally but don't make sense when it comes to NPCs.
Haven't done the math, does it at least pay for selling them?

Nope. Quite the opposite. Given the extra time involved, it's about twice as profitable to just sell the raw vegetables, meat, bowls, & plates.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning grain-based food items are still worth it in terms of nutrition and coin value.

[Mr Chill Chill]

If you have weight turned on, isn't the weight of the vegetables and meat an issue? Also worth mentioning is that you can buy bowls in town for like 1 coin per, so you don't even have to waste time and effort on bowls.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:

If you have weight turned on, isn't the weight of the vegetables and meat an issue? Also worth mentioning is that you can buy bowls in town for like 1 coin per, so you don't even have to waste time and effort on bowls.

The weight isnt really an issue when it comes to feeding the villagers.

[Maehlice]

Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:

If you have weight turned on, isn't the weight of the vegetables and meat an issue? Also worth mentioning is that you can buy bowls in town for like 1 coin per, so you don't even have to waste time and effort on bowls.

No more than the weight of the cooked foods, really.

Moving around small, heavy items is NBD anyway with crate-grabbing.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Maehlice:

Originally posted by galadon3:

Yea others might not be a net loss but also give very little benefit. The boosts they give might be a reason to use them personally but don't make sense when it comes to NPCs.
Haven't done the math, does it at least pay for selling them?

Nope. Quite the opposite. Given the extra time involved, it's about twice as profitable to just sell the raw vegetables, meat, bowls, & plates.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning grain-based food items are still worth it in terms of nutrition and coin value.

Yea I guess the problem is the nutrition and worth increase of meat and the recipes not being balanced against that

[AfLIcTeD]

They really need to look into it to make cooking actually worth it. Villagers can't even cook fast enough to keep up either.

There isn't even an incentive to cook, no mood boost for having variety or mood loss for little variety or anything else.

[Mr Chill Chill]

So basically the complaint is that the villagers are better off eating the food as is without being prepared into a meal. Don't worry, as I'm sure thats next on their agenda to take away.

[Maehlice]

Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:

So basically the complaint is that the villagers are better off eating the food as is without being prepared into a meal. Don't worry, as I'm sure thats next on their agenda to take away.

LOL.

Well, they already nerfed crop yield, average nutrition per vegetable, seed yield, and a couple other farming-related things ...

Pile on, maybe.?.

[Lord Sputnik]

To be fair, the survival aspect of this game is so easy that food in general needed a big nerf. Like feeding an entire village with one hunting shed was a bit much.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by Mr Butters 99:

So basically the complaint is that the villagers are better off eating the food as is without being prepared into a meal. Don't worry, as I'm sure thats next on their agenda to take away.

Honestly "take that away" ?
As it is now a whole branch of the game makes little to no sense to use, wich is clearly a balance problem.

And while the degree of rebalance can be discussed, as Lord Sputnik said, the old amounts of food you easily got where kinda ridiculous.

Now as I said I think the best solution is to have the recipes use less of the now harder to get and apparently bigger (more nutrition) chunks of meat to rebalance without fiddling again with the nutrition value or sell price of either the ingredients or the prepared meal.

[BimboGooch]

They should make it so food diversity increases moral, and a lack of food diversity can end up lowering moral.
Soup would 100% be fine if it had less value if you got several of them.
But hey, cooking veggies depending on the veggie will lower the value of nutrition irl. Like a lot of veggies if boiled flat out shrink by 90% and you boil most of t he nutrition away.

[galadon3]

Originally posted by BimboGooch:

But hey, cooking veggies depending on the veggie will lower the value of nutrition irl. Like a lot of veggies if boiled flat out shrink by 90% and you boil most of t he nutrition away.

And none of that matters, when it comes to game balance.
If you invest extra effort to just lower the usefullness of the endproduct the game has a feature that is completely useless, wich no well desigend game should have.