How many hunters?

[Lorcus]

I have 22 population. I have 2 level 2 hunting cabins. 4 hunters set at 80% and 90 %. They have knives. Yet the people still have not got enough food. How many do I need. The hunters are low level

[Wizard of Woz]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

Lorcus eredeti hozzászólása:

I have 22 population. I have 2 level 2 hunting cabins. 4 hunters set at 80% and 90 %. They have knives. Yet the people still have not got enough food. How many do I need. The hunters are low level

ok OP

to balance that economy I need more information
-you say low, what exactly ARE the skill levels in hunting of each of those 8 hunters.
-and what are their mood levels?

**have you done the things you could to improve their mood?
-give them houses with stone walls, tiled roofs, and insulate those walls
-add 10 decorations to the walls or floors of their house (both inside and outside count)
-put 1 woman and 1 man in a house together with somebody of the same, or close to their age (no more than 2 year difference ideally)

whats your diplimacy skill level?
and how many points have you in
**inspiring speach
**castellan

do you have a food storage building?
does it have empty space left?

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

ok OP

to balance that economy I need more information
-you say low, what exactly ARE the skill levels in hunting of each of those 8 hunters.
-and what are their mood levels?

**have you done the things you could to improve their mood?
-give them houses with stone walls, tiled roofs, and insulate those walls
-add 10 decorations to the walls or floors of their house (both inside and outside count)
-put 1 woman and 1 man in a house together with somebody of the same, or close to their age (no more than 2 year difference ideally)

whats your diplimacy skill level?
and how many points have you in
**inspiring speach
**castellan

do you have a food storage building?
does it have empty space left?

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

we will see. I already gave them their simplefied answer.. they will need between 8 and 11 skillpoints worth of hunters.

also :
notging tedious bout numbers. numbers are easy.
-
and what I give here are the conclusions of those numbers as an easy fist of hand.

having to constantly go to the managment menu to give workers other jobs and/or alter production percentages THATS an annoying thing nobody should like.
having to every day/few days return to your village instead of just camping in the wild for the whole 30 day seaso where I rather be.. to babysit your villagers is a chore nobody should like.
having to constantly cook food, craft tools, move resources from one chest to any of the 139 other chests in your town us a chore nobody should like

even if the decoration is your thing would you not rather do that than constantly babysit your villagars?

the whole idea of the number crunching is to make it easy... no need to ever waste time on tasks you not want to.
the city can take care of itself as nothing is short and nothing is overproduced so much that it would fill up the storehouse quickly (emptying it out once every year or 120 days orso often enough)

[mutexin]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

we will see. I already gave them their simplefied answer.. they will need between 8 and 11 skillpoints worth of hunters.

also :
notging tedious bout numbers. numbers are easy.
-
and what I give here are the conclusions of those numbers as an easy fist of hand.

having to constantly go to the managment menu to give workers other jobs and/or alter production percentages THATS an annoying thing nobody should like.
having to every day/few days return to your village instead of just camping in the wild for the whole 30 day seaso where I rather be.. to babysit your villagers is a chore nobody should like.
having to constantly cook food, craft tools, move resources from one chest to any of the 139 other chests in your town us a chore nobody should like

even if the decoration is your thing would you not rather do that than constantly babysit your villagars?

the whole idea of the number crunching is to make it easy... no need to ever waste time on tasks you not want to.
the city can take care of itself as nothing is short and nothing is overproduced so much that it would fill up the storehouse quickly (emptying it out once every year or 120 days orso often enough)

Wait. Do you say it's possible to make herbs hut work at 100% efficiency every season without adjusting settings? How?

[Dutchgamer1982]

mutexin eredeti hozzászólása:

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

we will see. I already gave them their simplefied answer.. they will need between 8 and 11 skillpoints worth of hunters.

also :
notging tedious bout numbers. numbers are easy.
-
and what I give here are the conclusions of those numbers as an easy fist of hand.

having to constantly go to the managment menu to give workers other jobs and/or alter production percentages THATS an annoying thing nobody should like.
having to every day/few days return to your village instead of just camping in the wild for the whole 30 day seaso where I rather be.. to babysit your villagers is a chore nobody should like.
having to constantly cook food, craft tools, move resources from one chest to any of the 139 other chests in your town us a chore nobody should like

even if the decoration is your thing would you not rather do that than constantly babysit your villagars?

the whole idea of the number crunching is to make it easy... no need to ever waste time on tasks you not want to.
the city can take care of itself as nothing is short and nothing is overproduced so much that it would fill up the storehouse quickly (emptying it out once every year or 120 days orso often enough)

Wait. Do you say it's possible to make herbs hut work at 100% efficiency every season without adjusting settings? How?

one never needs to use herbs hut.

hunting hut
34% meat 66% dried meat to satisfie all food needs
well 100% waterbucket to fill all water needs
lumber camp providing 97% logs to provide all wood needs
(1% to planks and 2% to sticks for tool need.
miner 100% on stone or iron.
blacksmith 10% on wooden hammers, rest on either :
iron bars + iron knifes + iron axe + uron pickaxe
or on
stone knife, stone axe, stone pickaxe.
workshop 2% on craftimg waterbuckets 98% idle.

thats all you need.
all other professions are utterly superflucious.
you never need any farm, barn or mill and thus also never need any fieldworker, farmer or miller
you never need any fishing hut or herbalist hut and thus also no herbalist or fishers
you never need any of the annimal buildings so also no annimal breeder
you never need an in or kitchen so no cooks or innkeepers either.

you can buy all the herbs you need from the towns vendors.. easely in any season from all the coin you earn should you for some reason need some.

[mutexin]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

thats all you need.
all other professions are utterly superflucious.
you never need any farm, barn or mill and thus also never need any fieldworker, farmer or miller
you never need any fishing hut or herbalist hut and thus also no herbalist or fishers
you never need any of the annimal buildings so also no annimal breeder
you never need an in or kitchen so no cooks or innkeepers either.

you can buy all the herbs you need from the towns vendors.. easely in any season from all the coin you earn should you for some reason need some.

Aren't animal buildings the easiest source of coin? You just sell them from the UI.
Also, isn't it better to let hunters produce raw meat at 100% and let kitchen roast it?

[mutexin]

I guess the game needs to introduce mood bonuses from number of different meals to make all food sources viable, and health/diseases to make herb hut more useful.
And also to replace copper, bronze with something more useful, for instance steel. Medieval age was past the iron age anyway. No need to go through copper and bronze ages.

[Wizard of Woz]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

we will see. I already gave them their simplefied answer.. they will need between 8 and 11 skillpoints worth of hunters.

also :
notging tedious bout numbers. numbers are easy.
-
and what I give here are the conclusions of those numbers as an easy fist of hand.

having to constantly go to the managment menu to give workers other jobs and/or alter production percentages THATS an annoying thing nobody should like.
having to every day/few days return to your village instead of just camping in the wild for the whole 30 day seaso where I rather be.. to babysit your villagers is a chore nobody should like.
having to constantly cook food, craft tools, move resources from one chest to any of the 139 other chests in your town us a chore nobody should like

even if the decoration is your thing would you not rather do that than constantly babysit your villagars?

the whole idea of the number crunching is to make it easy... no need to ever waste time on tasks you not want to.
the city can take care of itself as nothing is short and nothing is overproduced so much that it would fill up the storehouse quickly (emptying it out once every year or 120 days orso often enough)

Thanks for ignoring everything I said.

[mutexin]

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks for ignoring everything I said.

Well, he's right that many buildings/a lot of produce is optional. This asks for rebalancing or new mechanics. Also there is no reason to grow your settlement.

[Dutchgamer1982]

mutexin eredeti hozzászólása:

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks for ignoring everything I said.

Well, he's right that many buildings/a lot of produce is optional. This asks for rebalancing or new mechanics. Also there is no reason to grow your settlement.

a rebalance would be fine.
-with firewood more wood/hr than just going for logs
-with cooking and brewing actually providing more food/hr than just hunt and dry more meat.
-with a reason for holding annimals that we now do not
-with some reward to offer more varient food and drinks
than there would at least be reason to have more types of buildings.

if all you want is just all achievements.. you need very litle indeed.

[chipmonk]

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

I couldn't agree with you more. These huge posts by Dutchgamer1982 are a real turnoff and whenever I see one my eyes just glare over. Numbers are not tedious but reading these rambling posts of his are excruciatingly tedious. The OP asked a simple question and in return received an over 1800 word essay spread over 9 posts on how Dutchgamer1982 plays his game and how to play it any other way is incorrect. That is hardly the simple answer that Dutchgamer1982 says it is. What would have been more appropriate would have been the simple reply: Do you have a food storage building and do you have greater than 8 skill points among your hunters? Keep it simple and basic.

I bought the game a month ago and have been really enjoying it without doing any of the things that Dutchgamer1982 says is the correct way to play. In fact I do many of the things he recommends against doing because it's fun for me. I'm not playing to "game the game", but to enjoy everything it has to offer.

[chipmonk]

Dutchgamer1982 eredeti hozzászólása:

mutexin eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, he's right that many buildings/a lot of produce is optional. This asks for rebalancing or new mechanics. Also there is no reason to grow your settlement.

a rebalance would be fine.
-with firewood more wood/hr than just going for logs
-with cooking and brewing actually providing more food/hr than just hunt and dry more meat.
-with a reason for holding annimals that we now do not
-with some reward to offer more varient food and drinks
than there would at least be reason to have more types of buildings.

if all you want is just all achievements.. you need very litle indeed.

And what does this have to do with the original post?

[Dutchgamer1982]

chipmonk eredeti hozzászólása:

Wizard of Woz eredeti hozzászólása:

I don't they will answer. I know you think your huge walls of text are helping everyone, but for most people it is a complete turn off. Your taking a simple relaxing game and turning it into a tedious numbers game. Just because everyone doesn't play it your way doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.

I couldn't agree with you more. These huge posts by Dutchgamer1982 are a real turnoff and whenever I see one my eyes just glare over. Numbers are not tedious but reading these rambling posts of his are excruciatingly tedious. The OP asked a simple question and in return received an over 1800 word essay spread over 9 posts on how Dutchgamer1982 plays his game and how to play it any other way is incorrect. That is hardly the simple answer that Dutchgamer1982 says it is. What would have been more appropriate would have been the simple reply: Do you have a food storage building and do you have greater than 8 skill points among your hunters? Keep it simple and basic.

I bought the game a month ago and have been really enjoying it without doing any of the things that Dutchgamer1982 says is the correct way to play. In fact I do many of the things he recommends against doing because it's fun for me. I'm not playing to "game the game", but to enjoy everything it has to offer.

most words are wasted debating your anoyance not replying OP.

I made only 2 post to OP.
one giving him an answer in a short enough factor

one asking for more information
should he desire an exact answer.
--
neither was to long.
I hate the tldr attitide.
And the "casualisation"
I prefer rtfm!


if you ask how do I use the printer I not tell you this button.. I toss you the manual or at least a sizable chapter.
you want a fix for the issue now.. I want you to never need help with that issue or related issues again.

yes I could hace sufficed with :

you need between 8 and 11 skillpoints worth of hunters for 22 pop.
-not enough data to answer the question more exact.
-if you want an exact answer please provide mood%. and hunting lvl and you own diplo lvl.

but that would not learn op how to calculate this number for any other number of villagers.
so it would be like showing how to turn the printer om without learning him a thing. useless!

so the rough rule :
with all bonussus 1 skill level of hunter per 3 pop
without 1 skill level of hunter per 2 pop.
is handy to have.. its not exact but workable already a shortcut.

but than logically he might want to know how to get that bonus so I listed the 2 diplo skills & mood and how to get that mood.

finally he may have another issue.. so extra data for him to factcheck non of that other stuff was the issue.

all vital information.

[Morri]

@ Dutch,
I understand where you are coming from with trying to be complete, but if you are serious in wanting to get your message across, you should learn how to be more concise. Message format with correct paragraphing and using bullet points helps a lot too.
Too long texts will not get read 80% of the time and are a waste of both your and the reader's time.

If you think people might need more info beyond what was originally asked, you can always provide a link. It doesn't take up half the screen, and they can still go to it if interested.

Would keep the forum a lot more readable, which i would certainly appreciate ;-)

@ OP
It's all about the food value. 1 raw meat only has a food value of 2, which you can see in the description: https://imgur.com/a/N7PSUk9 (2nd screenshot)
In the main management screen you can see how much food value your people need every day (1st screenshot in the above link); it's the number between brackets.

Then just look in the management screen of the hunter's hut (3rd screenshot) to see how much meat your hunters bring in a day and go from there.

But, as mentioned by others here, there are better ways to feed your people than just raw meat.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Morri eredeti hozzászólása:

@OP
as mentioned by others here, there are better ways to feed your people than just raw meat.

OP has the right idea, feeding his people with meat.
he just needs to start drying it.

raw meat is the 2d best food source
the best is dried meat.
->
setting your hunters 66% on drying meat and 34% on hunting meat, also makes the demand for knifes a bit more managable.
*1 dried meat has 5 food value

[Vertibird]

I finished reading Dutchgamer1982's wall of texts, thank you for these information. I think we need a balance patch. Cook npcs should cook faster, it should be more rewarding if our village cook complex food. Making multi-grain bread should be more satisfying than collecting mass meat. Also there should be mood bonus to food variety or more complex foods. Even a rts named Stronghold had this concept.
In short: All items in game should be more beneficial than their non complicated alternatives.