Bug or no bug?

[X]

Why did I fail the quest to either buy a new crossbow or get the old one back?
Its part of the main quest line about how to get the "Medic" out of the valley.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2635287492

ADD: I bought an iron crossbow and gave it to him.

[gypsybme]

Did you purchase a crossbow and go give it to him?

[Goldi:AI]

Did you buy or craft one and give that to him? In that case you have picked a different route from the one that requires you to talk to Ida. So, it just means that you did not do this, you did that instead.

[X]

I bought an iron crossbow and gave it to him.

[Goldi:AI]

Then that explains it. No reason to worry.

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Originally posted by X:

I bought an iron crossbow and gave it to him.

The quest from Ida to retrieve the crossbow isn't really worth doing, too much travel time not enough reward. also you could have given him a wooden crossbow, giving him an iron crossbow is wasting money

[X]

Originally posted by hOLDtHEdOOR:

Originally posted by X:

I bought an iron crossbow and gave it to him.

The quest from Ida to retrieve the crossbow isn't really worth doing, too much travel time not enough reward. also you could have given him a wooden crossbow, giving him an iron crossbow is wasting money

But that is what was asked for during the convo with the guy, Iron crossbow not a wooden one.
He said to get him an iron crossbow or get his old one back.

The point is the quest says to either buy one "or" get his old one not "get his old one".

The quest should not be a fail.

[Goldi:AI]

You bought one instead of getting his old one. So the quest part to get his old one fails. You go right instead of left, so going left fails. That really is all there is to it.

[shmullster]

I think X has a valid point. The wording in the quest does not distinguish between buying one and getting his old one as to which satisfies the quest part, so, logically, it is not unnatural to assume it's an either/or to satisfy the quest.

In this case, specifying that getting the old one back is the quest would remove confusion. I've come across this many times as both a writer and an editor. The author knows what is going on when they write something so it seems obvious to them. Without that foreknowledge, however, the reader may not see the "obvious".

[radtazman]

odd, I purchased a crossbow, gave it to him and all was well.

[Sin]

Quests with multiple choices add a green tick to the choice you completed. and a red x to the option you didn't complete.
In this game once you complete one of the options it takes the entire other option and moves it into the failed section instead of leaving it as part of the completed quest.
It's tidier and makes it clear that that option is no longer available.

In your completed quest section you'll have the other quest option with a green tick, so I don't see what the problem is. It didn't give you any penalty, there is no achievement for never failing a quest, it's not a bug, it's just how the designer decided to make the quest logs.

[TheMole]

not just this designer but many others too, in order to complete one section of this quest you have to fail the other. There is no other way to do it without writing a whole new category purely for this one quest

[shmullster]

Originally posted by TheMole:

not just this designer but many others too, in order to complete one section of this quest you have to fail the other. There is no other way to do it without writing a whole new category purely for this one quest

Well, of course, that's not true. It was simply written this way. You don't need to rewrite every quest or create a whole new category, you simply remove the either/or.

Let me be clear, I'm not saying it SHOULD be done that way, I'm saying the current way could be considered confusing in the way it is written.

For example:

Domagaj needs a crossbow to be able to escort the medic out of the valley and would prefer I get his old one back. "A riddle game" indeed sounds familiar. I suppose I could just get him a new one, but he seemed pretty attached to his old one.

This still mentions the possibility of a new crossbow but more clearly suggests the quest is related to the old bow.

AGAIN, for the "defenders of the game" pack, I. Am. Not. Picking. On. The. Game. Merely offering up the point of view that some might have about the way the quest dialogue was written.

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Originally posted by shmullster:

Originally posted by TheMole:

not just this designer but many others too, in order to complete one section of this quest you have to fail the other. There is no other way to do it without writing a whole new category purely for this one quest

Well, of course, that's not true. It was simply written this way. You don't need to rewrite every quest or create a whole new category, you simply remove the either/or.

Let me be clear, I'm not saying it SHOULD be done that way, I'm saying the current way could be considered confusing in the way it is written.

For example:

Domagaj needs a crossbow to be able to escort the medic out of the valley and would prefer I get his old one back. "A riddle game" indeed sounds familiar. I suppose I could just get him a new one, but he seemed pretty attached to his old one.

This still mentions the possibility of a new crossbow but more clearly suggests the quest is related to the old bow.

AGAIN, for the "defenders of the game" pack, I. Am. Not. Picking. On. The. Game. Merely offering up the point of view that some might have about the way the quest dialogue was written.

I tend to agree, what I did was reload to an old save when I got the "quest failed" notification. The only reason I reloaded is because I didn't want to fail any of the main quest even if it was arbitrary to go back to do Ida's quest.

The confusion is in that you fail a quest if you buy a crossbow instead of retrieving the old one. If the option to buy a crossbow was removed or the quest to go see Ida was combined to the crossbow quest so players wouldn't see a giant "quest failed" on their screen when choosing to buy a crossbow this issue would be resolved.

It's a very small thing but sometimes those little things can really eat at a person