let's talk bunnies

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

I decided to look up how fast bunnies can run IRL and they can run at about 25 mph, the fastest human alive was recorded to run at 27 mph. 15-20 mph would be considered good for anyone who isn't built like an olympic runner so unless Racman is the fastest man alive there is no way he will realistically be able to run down a bunny.

Of course without easy meat most players would starve at the start of the game which is why I was so surprised when I first started playing in EA that you could only build one trap at a time.

Now don't get me wrong I enjoy the game but at times I feel like it's a kind of Sharknado type of enjoyment and not an immersive type which would be more enjoyable since so much of the game is focused around immersion.

[Anima Mundi]

Wait, do bunnies really go up to 25mph or is that hares??

Anyway, I don't think anyone needs to be chasing down bunnies with a stone axe even in the early game, as there are a million ways to get your food, even meat, and so i don't know if that was really the reason they made rabbits run so slow.

[Weaver]

These are fat complacent country bunnies, the couch potatoes of the rabbit world, living in a sheltered valley.
And no most players wouldn't starve. You have throwing spears and bunnies stand still. There are also a million ways to get food otherwise. You could live entirely on berries that you collect from the summer.
Also, this is a video game.
Do you also have a problem with drinking straight from a river and not getting all sort of terrible illnesses?
Or perhaps the fact despite getting viciously mauled by a wild animal you can shove a handful of herbs into your mouth and be back in peak condition instead of dying horribly?
That you don't have a chance of dying because you got a simple splinter in your finger that got infected and killed you because the lack of modern medicine?
This is a video game.

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Anima Mundi eredeti hozzászólása:

Wait, do bunnies really go up to 25mph or is that hares??

Anyway, I don't think anyone needs to be chasing down bunnies with a stone axe even in the early game, as there are a million ways to get your food, even meat, and so i don't know if that was really the reason they made rabbits run so slow.

The common European bunny which is what the bunny in the game seems to be modeled after, google says they run 25 mph. Clubbing bunnies is a thing IRL but it's because they are dumb and will hide in a bush or tall grass and a person can kind of get the jump on them and club them. It also helps that humans have more stamina and the bunny will get tired after a long chase and so it has to stop to catch it's breath more so on a hot day. Winter in game is actually the easiest time to chase a bunny because they are easier to see and follow.

What ever the intention was I feel like it makes the game easier for new players but less of a challenge for experienced ones. I suppose I'm ok with it since the only time I play around with bunnies at this point is when I have a quest for them.

[Seftak]

Don't forget you don't even need a weapon to kill them. You can outrun bunnies and foxes and just punch them...

But you would not like the game if it were actually realistic. Wolves would smell and hunt you down 500 meters away. Deer would smeel and hear you and flee 10 minutes before you can even see them.

[Anima Mundi]

Seftak eredeti hozzászólása:

Wolves would smell and hunt you down 500 meters away. Deer would smeel and hear you and flee 10 minutes before you can even see them.

Since we're being pedantic, wolves don't really actively hunt humans unless they're in a pack or find the opportunity like a weak/wounded human. Or at the very least it's very uncommon. They rarely turn a blind eye on livestock though.

And deer can often be sneaked upon by experienced hunters. I have hunters in the family who go hunt with the most butch guys who smoke like a chimney all day and still manage to get close enough to deer.

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Weaver eredeti hozzászólása:

These are fat complacent country bunnies, the couch potatoes of the rabbit world, living in a sheltered valley.
And no most players wouldn't starve. You have throwing spears and bunnies stand still. There are also a million ways to get food otherwise. You could live entirely on berries that you collect from the summer.
Also, this is a video game.
Do you also have a problem with drinking straight from a river and not getting all sort of terrible illnesses?
Or perhaps the fact despite getting viciously mauled by a wild animal you can shove a handful of herbs into your mouth and be back in peak condition instead of dying horribly?
That you don't have a chance of dying because you got a simple splinter in your finger that got infected and killed you because the lack of modern medicine?
This is a video game.

I drank from mountain streams plenty as a kid, rivers and lakes too, as long as it's not near a sewage run off river water is fine for drinking out in rural areas. dying from a splinter is an exaggeration, tetanus was the real killer before modern medicine in that regard a small pin prick from a rusty piece of metal could kill you but a splinter not so much. Your point on getting mauled and recovering instantly from a potion or by using herbs you have to consider that 1 day in game is essentially about a month IRL so I would say that's about right but if I were to be critical about that it would be nice if potions healed slowly over time and that Racman would limp or walk slower when injured much like the animals do.

As you say this is a video game but as far as the bunnies go I prefer your answer that they are fat valley bunnies, I'll be keeping that in mind from now on. Now if you can explain how foxes can survive a spear to the torso I'm willing to indulge but pretty sure that one is going to have to remain explained as "it's a video game".

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Seftak eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't forget you don't even need a weapon to kill them. You can outrun bunnies and foxes and just punch them...

But you would not like the game if it were actually realistic. Wolves would smell and hunt you down 500 meters away. Deer would smeel and hear you and flee 10 minutes before you can even see them.

Man I'm thinking most of you commenting live in the city, I have deer in my back yard every season and have been within spitting distance of them plenty of times in my life, I've never hunted them though. Has long as you don't reek of purfume they don't smell you and will stand there looking at you even if they spot you. Deer only run if you spook them but you really can sneak up pretty close to them IRL if you smell like the woods which a guy like Racman would.

Wolves in early access were a lot more fun, they would spot you from a decent distance and they would immediately howl and chase you. IRL wolves are afraid of humans and are more likely to run from them than deer. Wolves only attack if you get near their den and then it's usually only because they are defending their pups from a precieved threat. You are right about wolves having a really good sense of smell though, much better than deer, in all my time spent in the woods growing up I never once saw a wolf but I've seen black bears a few times. Bears smell you they just don't seem to care unless you get withing 500 yards or so which is about the closest I've ever been to one.

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

Anima Mundi eredeti hozzászólása:

Since we're being pedantic, wolves don't really actively hunt humans unless they're in a pack or find the opportunity like a weak/wounded human. Or at the very least it's very uncommon. They rarely turn a blind eye on livestock though.

And deer can often be sneaked upon by experienced hunters. I have hunters in the family who go hunt with the most butch guys who smoke like a chimney all day and still manage to get close enough to deer.

Thankyou!!! man I thought I was going to have to explain things on my own. You're right about the livestock thing for sure which should also be in the game. Live stock need to be well protected IRL, I lost my whole flock of chickens when I moved 4 years ago because I didn't have money to build a proper fence to keep the coyotes out.

[Dennis]

Grew up in Alaska....... Yes - The Zombie Attack Wolves are completely unrealistic. So are the bears for that matter. I gave up that debate awhile ago and accepted it was Gameplay > Realism and became okay with it, Neither of those Animals will attack even a lone Human unless there are special circumstances.

A pack of feral 'normal' canines are far more dangerous than a Wolf Pack.
They do not fear Humans at all.

Fact: Most years Moose kill more Humans than Wolves or Bears.

The historical terror and fear of Wolves in this time period is based on Rabies. For a long time we didn't realize it was a disease that made them crazy so assumed all wolves were always on the brink of a massacre. This was the reason for the mass hunts to eradicate them in various locales.

So, in my valley, we have a Rabies problem is how I play it.

The Bears are a whole diff issue. Unless a bear is guarding a food source - They are quite meek. A simple bell will scare off most bears.

[Anima Mundi]

NCE Dynnys eredeti hozzászólása:

A simple bell will scare off most bears.

Unless they're really big and white.. Don't go ringing your bear bell up North :)

[Dennis]

Anima Mundi eredeti hozzászólása:

NCE Dynnys eredeti hozzászólása:

A simple bell will scare off most bears.

Unless they're really big and white.. Don't go ringing your bear bell up North :)

hah - actually true. I tend to ignore Polar Bears in this type of convo because you actually have to really try to find a Polar Bear. It's not like you just stumble upon them while hiking. Even in Alaska.

And yeah - Sightlines are huge on the tundra - We used an Airhorn when north of the tree lines. Keeps the merely curious away - but you still can't talk away a hungry Polar Bear lol. Flares were are final non-lethal defense (before gunfire) and they worked 100% of the time I saw. They (and Kodiak Grizzlies - another bear you have to specifically go look for) have much less natural fear of Humans and are far more likely to see them as prey if hungry.

[Chief]

Seftak eredeti hozzászólása:

Don't forget you don't even need a weapon to kill them. You can outrun bunnies and foxes and just punch them...

But you would not like the game if it were actually realistic. Wolves would smell and hunt you down 500 meters away. Deer would smeel and hear you and flee 10 minutes before you can even see them.

lmao i can tell your not a real life hunter i smoke like a train and kill deer with bows and rifles hunted coyotes never been attack

[hOLDtHEdOOR]

NCE Dynnys eredeti hozzászólása:

Grew up in Alaska....... Yes - The Zombie Attack Wolves are completely unrealistic. So are the bears for that matter. I gave up that debate awhile ago and accepted it was Gameplay > Realism and became okay with it, Neither of those Animals will attack even a lone Human unless there are special circumstances.

A pack of feral 'normal' canines are far more dangerous than a Wolf Pack.
They do not fear Humans at all.

Fact: Most years Moose kill more Humans than Wolves or Bears.

The historical terror and fear of Wolves in this time period is based on Rabies. For a long time we didn't realize it was a disease that made them crazy so assumed all wolves were always on the brink of a massacre. This was the reason for the mass hunts to eradicate them in various locales.

So, in my valley, we have a Rabies problem is how I play it.

The Bears are a whole diff issue. Unless a bear is guarding a food source - They are quite meek. A simple bell will scare off most bears.

+1

I remember when I was real young my dad and I were hiking in the blue ridge mountains here in NC. We came across a black bear and our dog Spud chased it. There were a few tense moments there while we couldn't see him or the bear because we got out of there pretty quick but that Australian shepherd came back entirely unharmed.

It really is the rare exception when bears attack and as you say wolves just have the bad reputation because of rabies. The thing I've always been afraid to come across is a mountain lion after reading 'Where the Red Fern Grows'.