Spears are now wet noodles (1.2)

[Tempet]

I started a new game with the beta just in case it crashed my original. I understand the balancing was out of whack, but now:

1. Takes 4 spears to take down a fox.
2. Standing (what appears to be 2m away from a deer, the spear doesn't get to them.
3. 11 spears to take down a bear (understand the need for bears to be tougher but now its a weight issue).

Bottom line:
I think we went from one overpowered extreme to the absolutely useless extreme with the wooden spears.
Please rebalance the rebalance you did in this patch. I don't want it OP like it was before, but just a little better than a wet noodle.

I love that you are working on this, just the 3rd quest now is very, very hard (3 fox, 3 boar) and if that was your intention, that's fine, I'll just leave my hunting at level 1 after I get my hut and let my NPC's do it.

[Tazmo]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Hexxer:

A somewhat mean decision. As a beginner I hardly have a chance. I can hardly carry anything. Feather for the bow around 50's pack are not easy to get. So i have to take a lot of spears and if i kill 1 oder 2 dears i have to decide what to take. meat, leather or spear.

If your done hunting drop the spears had head home and if you need the meat take it, otherwise take the leather. At minimum you can craft simple bags or advanced torches and sell them.

[CellNav]

By the way ... the problem isn't the wooden spear, it's the stone spear.

The requirement to make a stone spear with linen thread is wrong. We should be able to craft twine from sticks and straw, not high-tech thread (so to speak).

Anybody play the game ... Unreal World? (very realistic survival game). Not only can we use our spears to hunt but we can use the spears as ski poles ... :P

[Talon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CellNav:

By the way ... the problem isn't the wooden spear, it's the stone spear.

The requirement to make a stone spear with linen thread is wrong. We should be able to craft twine from sticks and straw, not high-tech thread (so to speak).

Anybody play the game ... Unreal World? (very realistic survival game). Not only can we use our spears to hunt but we can use the spears as ski poles ... :P

well you could use leather instead of linen to secure/pin the head to the spear.

[Tazmo]

well you could use leather instead of linen to secure/pin the head to the spear. [/quote]

This is a very good point and should be considered by the dev's as a suggestion. Leather strap was a common binding material back then and easily obtainable, even rabbit hide.

[Talon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tazmo:

well you could use leather instead of linen to secure/pin the head to the spear.

This is a very good point and should be considered by the dev's as a suggestion. Leather strap was a common binding material back then and easily obtainable, even rabbit hide. [/quote]

They also had materials that acted like glue and would harden as well. Its how they managed composite material building. Could not build re-curve bows without binding materials.

[CellNav]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Talon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tazmo:

well you could use leather instead of linen to secure/pin the head to the spear.

This is a very good point and should be considered by the dev's as a suggestion. Leather strap was a common binding material back then and easily obtainable, even rabbit hide.

They also had materials that acted like glue and would harden as well. Its how they managed composite material building. Could not build re-curve bows without binding materials.

+1 gentlemen ... we found an answer without complaining about the nerf to the wooden spear.

I think we should skip the wooden spear but keep it for emergency purposes. Crafting a stone spear makes more sense in the long run using sensible materials. Kill a harmless rabbit, get the leather, pick up some rocks and cut a tree down then ... NOW we can go after the hostile animals without getting too mauled in the process.

[Tazmo]

Good formula - One wood spear + one or two rabbit pelt(s) + stone = one stone spear.

EDIT : or any other leather.

[NickTwist]

After doing dozens and dozens of "Night Hunt" I like the iron spear the most but also use a long bow. The spear is great after you learn how to aim and kills with one head shot. I also like holding spear on those few occasions I get rushed by a wolf or boar.

[VaeliusNoctu]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Random Zero Gravity:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย jhughes:

Well .. they didn't :)

Lol... Dev should go to real field and with real made weapon to test, and bring it into the game, based on reality accuracy. :steamlaughcry:

Some game developer does that, like cars for example. Grand Turismo.

Better not, i will see the game finished and not abadoned for the Reason that a Developer is killed from a Bear or in jail for Killing Guarded Animals.^^

[Tazmo]

Just to be clear this idea was Talon's, I just messed up the quote. Give him the credit for this really good idea.

[Tazmo]

Don't you think a leather binding would be stronger then a flax thread?

[VaeliusNoctu]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Talon:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tazmo:

well you could use leather instead of linen to secure/pin the head to the spear.

This is a very good point and should be considered by the dev's as a suggestion. Leather strap was a common binding material back then and easily obtainable, even rabbit hide.

They also had materials that acted like glue and would harden as well. Its how they managed composite material building. Could not build re-curve bows without binding materials. [/quote]

Exactly and iron spears we should be able to fix. So that the hunter pick up the iron point and make a new spear.

[Talon]

"These stone heads could be fixed to the spear shaft by gum or resin or by bindings made of animal sinew, leather strips or vegetable matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear"

From what i remember the vegieable matter was twine. they would need to introduce some simple for of resin/hardener maybe if they want to go that way in the game.

[Tazmo]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Talon:

"These stone heads could be fixed to the spear shaft by gum or resin or by bindings made of animal sinew, leather strips or vegetable matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear"

From what i remember the vegieable matter was twine. they would need to introduce some simple for of resin/hardener maybe if they want to go that way in the game.

All good and maybe even add a field mace type weapon (stick - stone - leather strip) level 1 or bonded like you said for level 2.

[Talon]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tazmo:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Talon:

"These stone heads could be fixed to the spear shaft by gum or resin or by bindings made of animal sinew, leather strips or vegetable matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear"

From what i remember the vegieable matter was twine. they would need to introduce some simple for of resin/hardener maybe if they want to go that way in the game.

All good and maybe even add a field mace type weapon (stick - stone - leather strip) level 1 or bonded like you said for level 2.

Think that a flail would be what you want there.