I like the change to spears and bows

[BigHappyMonkey]

It seems to the the goal of the devs to make the bows the ultimate weapon, which seems fair to me. I know not everyone is a fan but I think it's for the best. I can't imagine a thrown stick would do more damage than a projectile fired from a bent bow.

What do you think?

[Bahamas]

I totally agree

[Random Zero Gravity]

I agree, but the hunting skills should make up as the main character progressing higher at weapons handling. Which in turns making it easier to throw/shoot and do more damage, but yes not at 0 hunting skills level, which is why it is useless for beginner from the starting of the game. Especially completing Alwin's Quest, for 20 to 64 Point.

[BigHappyMonkey]

Originally posted by Random Zero Gravity:

I agree, but the hunting skills should make up as the main character progressing higher at weapons handling. Which in turns making it easier to throw/shoot and do more damage, but yes not at 0 hunting skills level, which is why it is useless for beginner from the starting of the game.

Interesting thought, you mean a level 4 hunter would do less damage with a bow than a level 8 hunter, for example? I guess the higher level can equate to higher accurate and better form and therefore more damage dealt.

[Random Zero Gravity]

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

Originally posted by Random Zero Gravity:

I agree, but the hunting skills should make up as the main character progressing higher at weapons handling. Which in turns making it easier to throw/shoot and do more damage, but yes not at 0 hunting skills level, which is why it is useless for beginner from the starting of the game.

Interesting thought, you mean a level 4 hunter would do less damage with a bow than a level 8 hunter, for example? I guess the higher level can equate to higher accurate and better form and therefore more damage dealt.

Yes, exactly.

Update:
Bow & Spear, falls under the same Hunting Skills category.

Not sure for crossbow, since it does not consume stamina. Which is perfect for beginners weapon as starter hunting weapon, but then again, no point, since it loads very slow, and "The Flash" has run the world map in 1 second.

[Talon]

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

It seems to the the goal of the devs to make the bows the ultimate weapon, which seems fair to me. I know not everyone is a fan but I think it's for the best. I can't imagine a thrown stick would do more damage than a projectile fired from a bent bow.

What do you think?

I don;t think so a spear ripping through an animals throat is far more deadly than an arrow through the throat. The animal will take more damage and bleed out well before an arrow wound will.

Also there were what was called atlatls which was spear thrower technology passed down form ancient times.These acted as levers to increase speed and power. They could even penetrate armor.

X-bow - siege cross bow i can see having stopping power.

Arrows over spears i don't think is a good change.

[Random Zero Gravity]

Originally posted by Talon:

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

It seems to the the goal of the devs to make the bows the ultimate weapon, which seems fair to me. I know not everyone is a fan but I think it's for the best. I can't imagine a thrown stick would do more damage than a projectile fired from a bent bow.

What do you think?

I don;t think so a spear ripping through an animals throat is far more deadly than an arrow through the throat. The animal will take more damage and bleed out well before an arrow wound will.

Also there were what was called atlatls which was spear thrower technology passed down form ancient times.These acted as levers to increase speed and power. They could even penetrate armor.

X-bow - siege cross bow i can see having stopping power.

Arrows over spears i don't think is a good change.

This logic should also be included for hunter player. It makes perfect sense to me too.

[BigHappyMonkey]

Originally posted by Talon:

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

It seems to the the goal of the devs to make the bows the ultimate weapon, which seems fair to me. I know not everyone is a fan but I think it's for the best. I can't imagine a thrown stick would do more damage than a projectile fired from a bent bow.

What do you think?

I don;t think so a spear ripping through an animals throat is far more deadly than an arrow through the throat. The animal will take more damage and bleed out well before an arrow wound will.

Also there were what was called atlatls which was spear thrower technology passed down form ancient times.These acted as levers to increase speed and power. They could even penetrate armor.

X-bow - siege cross bow i can see having stopping power.

Arrows over spears i don't think is a good change.

It's interesting looking at the history of the atlatls and bows, it seems the bow came later and was used because the stored energy was in the bow itself and the bow and arrows themselves much smaller and lighter and easier to carry.

Maybe if in the game they use atlatls it would make sense that the thrown spears would deal similar or even greater damage. I was under the assumption that the player was simply throwing it like a javelin.

[Talon]

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

Originally posted by Talon:

I don;t think so a spear ripping through an animals throat is far more deadly than an arrow through the throat. The animal will take more damage and bleed out well before an arrow wound will.

Also there were what was called atlatls which was spear thrower technology passed down form ancient times.These acted as levers to increase speed and power. They could even penetrate armor.

X-bow - siege cross bow i can see having stopping power.

Arrows over spears i don't think is a good change.

It's interesting looking at the history of the atlatls and bows, it seems the bow came later and was used because the stored energy was in the bow itself and the bow and arrows themselves much smaller and lighter and easier to carry.

Maybe if in the game they use atlatls it would make sense that the thrown spears would deal similar or even greater damage. I was under the assumption that the player was simply throwing it like a javelin.

Hard to see how this technology was not passed down from greeks and romans since they used it on their javelins as well.

[Talon]

also remember there were no such things as boar or bear arrows but there are boar and bear spears that were used.

[BigHappyMonkey]

Originally posted by Talon:

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

It's interesting looking at the history of the atlatls and bows, it seems the bow came later and was used because the stored energy was in the bow itself and the bow and arrows themselves much smaller and lighter and easier to carry.

Maybe if in the game they use atlatls it would make sense that the thrown spears would deal similar or even greater damage. I was under the assumption that the player was simply throwing it like a javelin.

Hard to see how this technology was not passed down from greeks and romans since they used it on their javelins as well.

Maybe have an atlatl technology for the player to unlock to make their spears more deadly, while still being more cumbersome than bows and arrows

[Random Zero Gravity]

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

Originally posted by Talon:

Hard to see how this technology was not passed down from greeks and romans since they used it on their javelins as well.

Maybe have an atlatl technology for the player to unlock to make their spears more deadly, while still being more cumbersome than bows and arrows

Yes, but don't forget to add more weight to player, since Meat is also adds the weight, and not only for Raw Meat, if much less Meat produced being on the hunt, whats the point going on hunting in the first place?.

[Talon]

I think there is too much romanticism with bows. Yes they were effective but 8-12 inches of leaf shaped spear heads at 3-6 inches in width still causes a lot more physical trauma which makes for faster bleeds. Bows are good at range but when being charged there is not much you can do against a ticked off beast that's closing on you with a bow.

"Around the middle Paleolithic period the Atlatl became the primary used tool to throw the specially designed projectile or dart. The earliest discovered atlatl is a 17,500-year old Solutrean piece made of reindeer horn discovered in France by archaeologists."

http://www.actforlibraries.org/ancient-hunting-weapons-the-thrusting-spear-vs-projectiles/

[BigHappyMonkey]

Originally posted by Talon:

I think there is too much romanticism with bows. Yes they were effective but 8-12 inches of leaf shaped spear heads at 3-6 inches in width still causes a lot more physical trauma which makes for faster bleeds. Bows are good at range but when being charged there is not much you can do against a ticked off beast that's closing on you with a bow.

I guess I think of the spear as a melee weapon first, and a thrown weapon second. Makes sense though how a charging animal would be more affected by a spear than an arrow

[Random Zero Gravity]

Originally posted by Talon:

I think there is too much romanticism with bows. Yes they were effective but 8-12 inches of leaf shaped spear heads at 3-6 inches in width still causes a lot more physical trauma which makes for faster bleeds. Bows are good at range but when being charged there is not much you can do against a ticked off beast that closing on you with a bow.

Hence, why I'd prefer to hunt with Iron Spear over Longbow + Iron Arrow, I can charge in rather than playing it slow and wasting time, considering time is the essence here. We need to bring as much produced while cooking to sustain during the hunt and able to bring at least a decent meat home, to help feed the villagers and store as food stock.

[Talon]

Originally posted by BigHappyMonkey:

Originally posted by Talon:

I think there is too much romanticism with bows. Yes they were effective but 8-12 inches of leaf shaped spear heads at 3-6 inches in width still causes a lot more physical trauma which makes for faster bleeds. Bows are good at range but when being charged there is not much you can do against a ticked off beast that's closing on you with a bow.

I guess I think of the spear as a melee weapon first, and a thrown weapon second. Makes sense though how a charging animal would be more affected by a spear than an arrow

Bows are good but you need to maintain distance or be at height. You'll probably shoot a lot of arrows to down an enraged beast if you are not accurate in that first and second shot.

But hunting parties I think went with a mix of bow and spear as well.