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I managed to have three arrows which would have splitted themselves were it real life, but still got the message "missed".
Since the task given is wrong alias fake, as a true player - NOT cheating or looking into the internet for solutions - you are guaranteed to become frustrated. This is NOT the way you get likes for the game and buying customers, my deers.
Change the apprentice against someone who mastered simple math! Or the texter against someone who gets the correct instructions from the programmers!
A game that claims to be in the "survival" class but is unable to be played keeping to be ingame, instead requiring to query the internet for cheats, is ... well: ridiculous.
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So, after getting this cheat hints, i managed to get 130 points (3 x 44) instead of meager 64 by shooting from a distance i usually use for bears. The game needs to change that. Nothing against linearity or so, but even the elder scrolls managed to rectify their infinite linear system after Morrowind because of the ridiculous consequences. This game will not get an excemption.
Feedback is welcome, but personal attacks are not. Please refrain from that. The developers are not native English speakers and better translations are being worked on.
It was 64, but in general you're absolutely right.
Scoring in this quest ist counted as follow:
100% accuracy gives you 1point per 1m distance.
20m with 100% hit ---> 20 points
20m with 98% hit ---> 19,6 points
So, even if you hit with 100% accuracy from a distance, you can't get more than 60 points which would be 4 points less than you'd need to beat alwin. So no bug, just a tiny little bit of miscalculation on player's side.
As Goldi suggested, move a little bit away from the target (22m should be fine) and do the competition shots from there.
Theoretically you need at the very minimum an accuracy equal to or more than 97% to beat Alwin when you shoot from this distance.
I personally don't delve into the numbers of a game so in my first try at this I had no idea that by following the quest instructions all I could do was fail. The devs know the numbers and they know you can't win from 20m so why word it that way?
As a new player or an experienced player of any game when you come across a new quest you follow the instructions and you can complete the quest. That is how the vast majority of quests work.
The same wording issue applies to the hunt the wolf part of the collecting tax quest line. The quest instructions are inaccurate. Once again on my first try I wasted a lot of time trying to find the wolf where the quest told me it was.
I know all the tricks now after playing for a while but the point that the quest information is wrong/inaccurate/guaranteed to have you fail is still true. I also know the devs first language isn't English but even in their native language surely they know that telling people to shoot from 20m means you can never complete the quest?
Nope, it's not.
It's rather that this quest is divided into two parts.
In the first part after you built the shooting range Alwyn says: Now, show me how it's done, 20m should be enough. - or something similar, playing the german version I don't know the english phrasing.
The quest now asks you to score 20points from a distance of 20m, whereas the latter is just guessing based on what Alwyn said to you.
And now the game asks for something that most players unfortunately lack the most: attention.
I'm really sorry to say that, but it's true.
When you got this first part of the quest, you aim at the target and shoot. You have as much tries as you need, the quest triggers as completed once you got more than 20 points.
During this testing shots, it's up to the player to notice all those amazing numbers that pop up on your screen after each shot. They inform you about what you actually did after each shot: the popup messages show
a) the distance
b) accuracy in percent (75%, 85%, 96% whatever you achieved)
c) the points you got according to the two numbers mentioned above.
Any player who pays at least a little attention to what they are actually doing would learn in almost zero time, that there is a correlation between distance, accurancy and the resulting score you get.
I can say for sure that I'm not the dumbest human being in the world, but I'm not a genius either.
It took me only two shots to learn how accuracy and distance are important for the result.
That being said, let's have a look at the second part of the quest.
This time Alwyn is waiting for you, telling that he did a lot of practice and he's sure that he might be good enough to beat you in a shooting competition.
The rules are simple: each of you two has 3 shots and who got the most points wins the competition.
Alwyn turns out to be pretty clever this time - without you being able to see what he actually did, he just claims that he got 64 points. Now it's your turn to beet him.
If you watched and learned what I pointed out above, you wouldn't have any problem to beat him in that competition. With no single word Alwyn said anything about 20m in this second part of the quest. The only task is to get more than 64 points.
If you or anybody else really don't know what to do at this point - again I'm sorry to say that: blame yourself.
Many people in general lack attention a lot not only in video games and this quest isn't really hard to manage at all. You just need to keep your eyes open and actually watch what you're doing.
This part of the game isn't asking people to pay attention it's asking them to be clairvoyant. I see something in this part and I have to know somehow to work out something for something else I haven't yet seen.
It seems there are a lot of people who play this game who totally missed the secret to completing this quest. That secret being that you have to watch the numbers you get in the first part then figure out what that means for the second part. Too bad if you are just totally hopeless at maths.
People are used to seeing numbers drift by on screens for all sorts of reasons. I would hazard a guess that the majority only pay very little attention to them.
Congratz to you and all the others who saw those numbers and worked it out. Shame on me and everyone else who failed to see those numbers and realize that we needed to do some maths for a future quest.
Anecdotally it seems most people fail this part on the first try. Maybe that points more to the quest than the people.
First thing you look at is distance. If you are too close move back. If you are too far away move closer. No math needed.
Next is accuracy. If it is too low adjust your bow and take another shot. keep doing that till you get the accuracy you want. No math needed.
Last is the points. If your not getting the points you need then adjust your accuracy or distance. No math needed.
Sorry if you feel hurt, that wasn't my intention. But now that you showed that you like it more with sarcasm mode on - well, I'm okay with that either.
The game doesn't ask for incredible high math skills. But to notice that you get a higher score with better accuracy and greater distance really is quite obvious and it's no rocket science to notice that.
The problem in fact is that many players usually tend to ignore quite any information that the game desperately tries tp shows you guys. I could point out so many examples that all prove this to be right but I don't like to, because all it does in the end is you being even more pissed which I didn't want at all.
But when you calm down and give yourself a chance to think a little bit about what I said maybe you would admit that I'm right.
C'mon, it isn't that hard to notice something like "18m 75% 13,5 points (first shot) 23m 92% 21,4 points (second shot)"... Wait - the second one got me more points than the first... What might be the reason for that? Was I further away? Did I aim better? Hmm... if I only could find out...
Seriously?
And don't try to pretend it's hard to learn something now and use what you have learned in another task that asks a little bit more than you already know. Thinking, watching, learning. This is how human beings grow up and learn to walk on two legs.
You wonder why so many players have problems to understand how this quest can be completed? I already told that and I'm sorry to say it again, but: many people lack attention a lot. And I stick to what I said before, this is the main reason why they fail in such simple tasks as we are talking about right now. It's not the game's fault it's just that players refuse to recognize the most obvious information - simple as that.
This! Thank you so much. The magic part of this post is: "...when you think about it..." - if only more people would at least try to do so.
See, Werric, it isn't that hard, is it?
Funny however that it is so obvious that there is even a video out there explaining how to beat this quest.
Suffice to say what is obvious to some people is totally obscure to others.
But, in general, I agree, it's often like this. Some things are easy for some people and others just don't get the right angle right away. I've facepalmed at myself a good few times before, because I missed something obvious. It happens. That makes tipps and tricks, as well as a helpful community all the more valuable. :)