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sbones1004 Mar 6, 2020 @ 1:20pm
Female Character?
But this time it is possible to play as woman? I mean your last game was male only and, well as woman I dont like to play as man.
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SwordsOfTheSouth_Toplitz  [developer] Apr 15, 2020 @ 7:45am 
We’re currently discussing the option to play a medieval woman. No promises, although!
VaniKa Apr 15, 2020 @ 9:34am 
Originally posted by SwordsOfTheSouth:
We’re currently discussing the option to play a medieval woman. No promises, although!
That is great news! At least it shows that you take this topic seriously.
SwordsOfTheSouth_Toplitz  [developer] Apr 16, 2020 @ 12:26am 
Originally posted by VaniKa:
That is great news! At least it shows that you take this topic seriously.

Of course we do!
Ikarian Apr 18, 2020 @ 9:15am 
Originally posted by Project Danny:
oh well their loss then i wont buy this game if i cant play female..... the whole "not enough resources" excuse dont wash with me.... ive heard that excuse so many times now yet other small indie games can do it with little budget. pathetic....
And what is problem, if they do not want create game with playable female character? Its their decision, not your. As well as if you buy game, its your decision, not their. Sorry.
Ikarian Apr 18, 2020 @ 9:18am 
Originally posted by sbones1004:
Well. Maybe you should do some studies before you tell such things. Women in this time period had rights, might and power. Not this often like male cause the west european culture try to cover this fact. If the story is similar to farmers dynasty then this game reduce them to just breed kids like animal breeding. Its a pity for a game made in our time to be not open for both gender.
Game made in our time, not game about our time. As I study medieval history, especially Eastern Roman (Byzantine) and Western, whole problem is very complex. Women had rights and power only in few case: if they were widows or if they were born to nobility. On other hand, we must say that also most men did not have rights and power. And yes, males in west european culture created secret conspiracy cabal sponsored by aliens and iluminates to cover this fact... jeeez...
TheOutsider Apr 19, 2020 @ 3:25am 
My two cents, as a woman, I'd take a well written male character over the bland story that tends to be when you have a choice (here's looking at you FarCry5). Sure, a well written woman could be ok too, but those usually just irk me. Like the new Tomb Raider games? Lara should've died so many effing times in the intro alone that it just gets annoying.

And as some have said, female authority varied hugely. Looking at Sweden in like the 1800s, women in the rural areas had power. The men were out working the fields and the forests, so the women handled most of the household and the economy. Whereas in the cities the women were basically furniture, since they had nothing to do. A farmer's wife was waay different from a clerk's wife.
VaniKa Apr 19, 2020 @ 10:45am 
There's an interesting "gamer type" test by Quantic Foundry (google it) that showed me that people experience games very differently and also play for very different reasons. When I address gender in video games people often argue that it's more about the plot or the characters (that happens to be centered around a male protagonist by "pure chance" of course). But I realized that I'm not such a gamer. I don't care that much about a story or the backstory of "the protagonist". For me it's more about experiencing a game's world through my own eyes when I imagine myself existing in a particular world that a game provides. When I'm playing a video game I'm not watching another person experience a story (like with a movie), but I imagine myself to be that person (or that person to be me, to be more precise) and how that feels. And I can't do that (or I don't feel comfortable with it, to be more precise) when the person *I assume to be* at the moment is a man. I don't want to be a man and I especially don't want to see the world through the eyes of a historical man with a certain perspective towards women (like them being inferior and living just for the pleasure of men or ensuring their power by providing them with a son and heir even if they die during the process). That's my personal point of view that I want it to be considered valid because we are all different people with different perspectives and tastes. But often people just say "gender is irrelevant" and "it's the story that counts" when this just applies to them personally and they assume their perspective and taste to be universally valid.

And then there's the aspect of feminism. I think that mainly explains why I don't want to think or feel "like a man" when there's so much bad stuff going on on a social and societal level, with men already being taught as young boys how they are better then girls or women and how they are entitled to have power over them and their bodies. But there's much more to it. The most prominent aspect being that it's not just "by pure chance" that much more games feature male protagonists or cater primarily to a male audience. In fact it's quite obvious why that is. And when you really want to connect all the dots you will realize that it all started several thousand years ago. You will see ancient Greece's philosophers like Aristotle to be very misogynistic and the Christianity of the medieval times picking that up and bringing it into modern times. It has to do with gender roles and why video games were marketed exclusively for a male audience since the mid 1980s. And then there's one more game that just doesn't care about women, like Green Hell now having a multiplayer mode for up to four players who can all customize their character - but all of them being male. When you realize where that comes from and why it's deemed less important to have equally appealing female characters for women as male characters for men then you don't just see that one game but a problem with the industry and also their consumers - which is always apparent when this topic is brought up and immediately dismissed in often very hateful ways.

That's why I complain and don't just ask nicely any more. I demand from *the industry* to care more. And I don't care whether one studio "just hasn't got the resources to provide a gender choice". It's not about one game or one company. It's about awareness and change in society. Because this stems from a much broader and deeply ingrained way society still treats women as second class citizens in many areas. If that's not your personal experience than just consider yourselves lucky instead of dismissing it as non-existent. I'm not talking about men being inherently evil but that society is still struggling with certain behaviors and ways of thinking (often on a subconscious level) that we haven't overcome but have to. That doesn't happen on its own but because people fight for it. Everything that we consider normal nowadays, like human rights and women having the right to work and vote had to be established against a heavy resistance (google Suffragettes for a "nice" example). That's why I don't expect to be greeted all friendly when writing this, especially not on Steam, so you can as well leave out the toxic comments.
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kiska87 Apr 20, 2020 @ 8:21pm 
Originally posted by VaniKa:
There's an interesting "gamer type" test by Quantic Foundry (google it) that showed me that people experience games very differently and also play for very different reasons. When I address gender in video games people often argue that it's more about the plot or the characters (that happens to be centered around a male protagonist by "pure chance" of course). But I realized that I'm not such a gamer. I don't care that much about a story or the backstory of "the protagonist". For me it's more about experiencing a game's world through my own eyes when I imagine myself existing in a particular world that a game provides. When I'm playing a video game I'm not watching another person experience a story (like with a movie), but I imagine myself to be that person (or that person to be me, to be more precise) and how that feels. And I can't do that (or I don't feel comfortable with it, to be more precise) when the person *I assume to be* at the moment is a man. I don't want to be a man and I especially don't want to see the world through the eyes of a historical man with a certain perspective towards women (like them being inferior and living just for the pleasure of men or ensuring their power by providing them with a son and heir even if they die during the process). That's my personal point of view that I want it to be considered valid because we are all different people with different perspectives and tastes. But often people just say "gender is irrelevant" and "it's the story that counts" when this just applies to them personally and they assume their perspective and taste to be universally valid.

And then there's the aspect of feminism. I think that mainly explains why I don't want to think or feel "like a man" when there's so much bad stuff going on on a social and societal level, with men already being taught as young boys how they are better then girls or women and how they are entitled to have power over them and their bodies. But there's much more to it. The most prominent aspect being that it's not just "by pure chance" that much more games feature male protagonists or cater primarily to a male audience. In fact it's quite obvious why that is. And when you really want to connect all the dots you will realize that it all started several thousand years ago. You will see ancient Greece's philosophers like Aristotle to be very misogynistic and the Christianity of the medieval times picking that up and bringing it into modern times. It has to do with gender roles and why video games were marketed exclusively for a male audience since the mid 1980s. And then there's one more game that just doesn't care about women, like Green Hell now having a multiplayer mode for up to four players who can all customize their character - but all of them being male. When you realize where that comes from and why it's deemed less important to have equally appealing female characters for women as male characters for men then you don't just see that one game but a problem with the industry and also their consumers - which is always apparent when this topic is brought up and immediately dismissed in often very hateful ways.

That's why I complain and don't just ask nicely any more. I demand from *the industry* to care more. And I don't care whether one studio "just hasn't got the resources to provide a gender choice". It's not about one game or one company. It's about awareness and change in society. Because this stems from a much broader and deeply ingrained way society still treats women as second class citizens in many areas. If that's not your personal experience than just consider yourselves lucky instead of dismissing it as non-existent. I'm not talking about men being inherently evil but that society is still struggling with certain behaviors and ways of thinking (often on a subconscious level) that we haven't overcome but have to. That doesn't happen on its own but because people fight for it. Everything that we consider normal nowadays, like human rights and women having the right to work and vote had to be established against a heavy resistance (google Suffragettes for a "nice" example). That's why I don't expect to be greeted all friendly when writing this, especially not on Steam, so you can as well leave out the toxic comments.


Well spoken, and i totally agree.

I´m one of this gamer type as well, i identify myself with the character in the game.

There´s no excuse, not to implement a female character in the game, since i already have some games in my steam libary, that are developed by very small indie dev teams (some of them by one person only) and they have proven that it is possible to put in a gender choice (even in EA stage).

So, if this game won´t give us the freedom, to choose whether we can play a male or female character, i won´t buy it and move on (like i did with farmers dynasty, as this was the main issue, why i never bought it, even though i followed it´s development during EA)

And yes, i will boycott all such games.

I see it very pragmatically.
paintkane Apr 23, 2020 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by kiska87:
Originally posted by VaniKa:
There's an interesting "gamer type" test by Quantic Foundry (google it) that showed me that people experience games very differently and also play for very different reasons. When I address gender in video games people often argue that it's more about the plot or the characters (that happens to be centered around a male protagonist by "pure chance" of course). But I realized that I'm not such a gamer. I don't care that much about a story or the backstory of "the protagonist". For me it's more about experiencing a game's world through my own eyes when I imagine myself existing in a particular world that a game provides. When I'm playing a video game I'm not watching another person experience a story (like with a movie), but I imagine myself to be that person (or that person to be me, to be more precise) and how that feels. And I can't do that (or I don't feel comfortable with it, to be more precise) when the person *I assume to be* at the moment is a man. I don't want to be a man and I especially don't want to see the world through the eyes of a historical man with a certain perspective towards women (like them being inferior and living just for the pleasure of men or ensuring their power by providing them with a son and heir even if they die during the process). That's my personal point of view that I want it to be considered valid because we are all different people with different perspectives and tastes. But often people just say "gender is irrelevant" and "it's the story that counts" when this just applies to them personally and they assume their perspective and taste to be universally valid.

And then there's the aspect of feminism. I think that mainly explains why I don't want to think or feel "like a man" when there's so much bad stuff going on on a social and societal level, with men already being taught as young boys how they are better then girls or women and how they are entitled to have power over them and their bodies. But there's much more to it. The most prominent aspect being that it's not just "by pure chance" that much more games feature male protagonists or cater primarily to a male audience. In fact it's quite obvious why that is. And when you really want to connect all the dots you will realize that it all started several thousand years ago. You will see ancient Greece's philosophers like Aristotle to be very misogynistic and the Christianity of the medieval times picking that up and bringing it into modern times. It has to do with gender roles and why video games were marketed exclusively for a male audience since the mid 1980s. And then there's one more game that just doesn't care about women, like Green Hell now having a multiplayer mode for up to four players who can all customize their character - but all of them being male. When you realize where that comes from and why it's deemed less important to have equally appealing female characters for women as male characters for men then you don't just see that one game but a problem with the industry and also their consumers - which is always apparent when this topic is brought up and immediately dismissed in often very hateful ways.

That's why I complain and don't just ask nicely any more. I demand from *the industry* to care more. And I don't care whether one studio "just hasn't got the resources to provide a gender choice". It's not about one game or one company. It's about awareness and change in society. Because this stems from a much broader and deeply ingrained way society still treats women as second class citizens in many areas. If that's not your personal experience than just consider yourselves lucky instead of dismissing it as non-existent. I'm not talking about men being inherently evil but that society is still struggling with certain behaviors and ways of thinking (often on a subconscious level) that we haven't overcome but have to. That doesn't happen on its own but because people fight for it. Everything that we consider normal nowadays, like human rights and women having the right to work and vote had to be established against a heavy resistance (google Suffragettes for a "nice" example). That's why I don't expect to be greeted all friendly when writing this, especially not on Steam, so you can as well leave out the toxic comments.




Alright let me explain simple no one is giving excuses because it's story driven, So first thing If you want to play a Female character there are plenty out there.

Skyrim (you can also mod this to make your character look hot as you want body size, shape and form, Face type and hairstyles if you don't like there)

Fallout (same company as skyrim bascially Wasteland Modern day of skyrim but a lot of the mods are the same cause people who play Skyrim play Fallout mostly)

Mount&Blade

Mount&Blade 2:Bannerlord(Like this game)

Mounta&Blade Warband

Kingdoms(Abandoned) (Exactly like this game but not fully finished)

Warhorn(I think)(Somewhat like this game)

Lord of the Rings Online

There are many games with Female choice you just need to search and for most gamer's the story is what draws people into games I mean I played games with bad reviews they were fun but the Story people complained about.

Second reason most games have males only is because Like you said they cater to the Gender that buys it a lot example This game more males will most likely play it so Male is the main priority. Then you have princess games which mostly females will play so it has female as main priority. Then you have the game Owner they must make money so basically if I owned a Company making games I have 99% Males playing and 1% Females playing If cater to the females I earn say around 20k in money which is nearly how much I put into it so I go in debt and the company is gone. But if I cater to Males which is 99% I can make possibly 1m way more then that 1% so it's all about numbers on a chart it's not really that they are being sexiest or anything it's just when making a game it's not cheap if you want a good game you are spending a lot of money. As a small Dev team they have a Budget then you gotta think games take time and there is a lot to add dialog, Animation, Artwork, Coding, Modeling ect... adding a Female they will have to remake a lot like having two sets of Dialogus through out the whole game. Like one says "G'day Sir" if you choose male then they have to code" G'day Ma'am" if you choose a female and that seems simple but it is a lot harder and as small team they may have to pay outside people to help like Contractors sort of which may charge more depending on there skill level.

No one here is being Sexiest or hating on women it's just running a company is not as simple you cant always cater to both I mean in some cases you can but mostly for Corporation Gaming Companies, For me I think now days women are smarter then a lot of men today,
and for those other people talking about back then no women had rights to me I think the reason women were not able to do a lot is example back then Countries were booming with population cause you had woman at home to Birth the child and take care of it and men can have many children easier then you have today women have many rights to vote and get jobs now Birth rates have gone down because a lot of women are married to there job and don't want kids cause they know how there lives will change me I was basically born sorrounded by women all my first Cousins and most of my seconds and I am happy and they have been more successful and hell of a lot smarter then us men lmao

and now days women are so filled with hatred on how they were treated back then they don't pay attention to today and reality they want to use excuse from way back when life is better enjoy today and don't bring the pass I mean if Anyone should bring pass it is Us African Americans how we were treated then today is better but not as good the law system still ain't on our side so yea so you should look at reality before saying things men have harder time with the law system for all Ethnicities we have a bigger chance of being sent to jail for the same crime as a woman and rules are stricter on us as it's abuse if we hit a woman but if woman hits a man no harm in it but anyways I don't want to keep ranting.

But he said they will think about it so please don't go talking about how games are sexiest when you don't look at reality and also if the game is based on around France and Spain and UK and stuff the only time if I am correct the only time women had power is if there are no Male heirs and with that they still had limited power that's why a Queen husband is considered a Prince not a King cause if he was called King he will have Ruler ship over her hints why UK the Queens Husband uses the Title Prince. also when there are Kings they are still called Queen but instead they will be called Queen Consort.

Remember there are plenty of games out there and what makes a game fun again is the story the story is what makes games fun cause without a story how you gonna make Quest and an Objective to beat the game. Like without a story the game makes no sense it will be a simulator but even those have a story to it well Goal to do.

If you need some games like this with female option check out those games above better yet search some games on google that are on steam say "Sandbox game on steam that you can be a female character" but remember a lot of games that have strictly Male characters is cause it's usually based off something like a Book or comic book character so needs to be a male or it makes no sense story will be pointless.

PS. This is not an Attack just an explanation on your argument your are posting sorry if this comes out to harsh I mean no disrespect to you or other women, Sorry for my grammar skills I went back and corrected somethings but it's a lot so I gave up lol hope you can read this XD!
kiska87 Apr 24, 2020 @ 11:58am 
Originally posted by YB-Poet:


Thank you for letting us know, which part of a game you like / prefer.

As Vanika already wrote, there´re different types of gamers who focus on different part of the games.

As for your suggestions for the other games:

Yes, i do have Skyrim and it´s fun to play, but it´s quite different from this one.

And yes, i do have Kingdoms, which seems like it´s abandoned, unfortunately.

So, Kingdoms and Medieval Dynasty look like there´re quite similar. I do like the idea of building up a community in this game (Kingdoms also have the oppertunity to found your own town and manage it, but the citizens live more on their own) I´d like to give tasks to the inhabitants (i. e. wood cutting, hunting, farming...) so everyone has their own role in the settlement. Also, i´d like to have my own family with kids and see them growing up.

Regarding Mount & Blade and the other wargames: I don´t like those games, where you´re in an infinite war and the only thing you do is fighting.

Especially in the medieval ages, there were more dangers than war, for example wild animals or just to make sure, you have enough food and a shelter for the cold nights, so just "survive".

And no, i never played princess games, neither will i do in the future.

Also, i doubt that 99 % of the players, who will play this game, will only be male.

The game will have female characters, the only difference is, to make them as a "playable" one. So, there´s not that much more work, as the models and animations will be in the game anyway.

I don´t want to roll up the topic about women again, but it´s not something, what was in the past and women are now using to cry about and hope, they gain some benefits, because they were treated bad back then.

As a woman myself, i can confirm, that it is still a problem in our community.

During my lifetime, i had several situations and i met several men, who treated me like i´m worth less than a human, because i´m not a man. Although they didn´t know me, they treated me like i´m stupid, because all women are stupid and are not able to do anything without the glorious help of a man. Also, a woman´s place is behind the stove and the only thing, she is useful for is to make children and look after them (yes, i heard those sentence several times in my life)

It´s so exhausting, to fight to get respected by men over and over again and it makes me tired.

Why do i have to fight to be respected, while men don´t have to? Because i´m a woman?

And i don´t want to talk about the unfair payment, because women earn less money than men for the exact same job (confirmed by personal experience).

So, please believe me and all of us women, when we´re complaining about unfair treatment in the world. After all, i can be happy, that i´m living in one of these countries, where women at least have rights.

In the end, we are all humans, no matter what gender, what colour of skin or what sexual orientation.

It´s our personality, so the things we say or do, what adjudicate who we are.
VaniKa Apr 26, 2020 @ 11:55pm 
In addition to what kiska87 said, I'd like to point out that not having equal female representation in video games also makes them less appealing to women than men of course. Yes, there will be women who play them nonetheless, but surely not as many as if they could play as their own gender and games where marketed as such. So when people claim "but less women like to play these games" it is due to that, at least partly. It's also due to video games marketed for male customers and video games or history being perceived as a male hobby. But these things can change and the more women understand video games are made for them the more they will play them. When you look inside female gaming communities you will see that they play the same "core" games as male players, like competitive shooters. Why do more women play shooters like Overwatch and Fortnite? Because they aren't marketed primarily for male players. They have diversity, female player models and just look fun.

Regarding this game I see a huge chance. Because what sets this game apart from other typical medieval games is that it isn't focused on combat where you mainly have the role of a fighter or knight. In this game it could actually be possible to experience medieval life as a woman. They worked equally hard as men, tilling fields, growing and harvesting crops, sewing clothes, hunting animals, preparing food (including cutting animals), producing stuff for markets, bringing it there and selling it. It was a harsh life, not comparable to 1950s housewives. But as everybody seems to focus on war and not really seeing what day-to-day life for average people was like it becomes apparent why so many people don't really see a place for women in a medieval setting, or at least an interesting one that you can make a game about. But that was life. Not some negligible part of "actual" life that evolved around men. Women played a much larger role but mainly men wrote stuff about their society from their male perspectives and revolving primarily around their own gender, making lives of women mere marginalia in history books or what they wanted them to be. So, our historical perspective is heavily skewed and only recently new evidence suggests that our previous believes were based on patriarchal bias. Now you find female viking warriors or you realize that women also hunted animals with a bow on a horse. But such things didn't fit well with the narrative of male superiority, so they were swept under the carpet. It's no coincidence that such knowledge now surfaces when women's status in society becomes more equal. We have simply become more willing to accept those truths.

But even when it comes to fighting you could just bend the rules a little and let women also participate in fighting. Let them become knights as well and you can have games equally appealing to female players. But I would also find it interesting to experience a world where I could not do that as a woman. To experience how women basically always lived in different world that men rarely took notice of while thinking they were the only ones who defined the world. I would find it interesting if I could change roles, by living an ordinary life by day and pretend to be a male soldier by night to show the contrast. A game like this really could have much educational value regarding how life was as a medieval woman, as a first-hand experience. After all, women always made up about 50 % of the populace, but in history it's almost always about men and what they achieved, like what wars they won. It's time for a more balanced and deeper perspective.
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~Hime~ Apr 27, 2020 @ 12:54pm 
I'm not here to make statements, but in games like these I'm not really interested in playing from a male POV. Who cares if it's historically accurate or not. I just wanna have fun.
magna Apr 30, 2020 @ 1:18am 
I prefer historically accurate any time.
Martian Jesus Apr 30, 2020 @ 6:07am 
Originally posted by MementoMori:
Originally posted by Nyaka~Hime:
I'm not here to make statements, but in games like these I'm not really interested in playing from a male POV. Who cares if it's historically accurate or not. I just wanna have fun.
Yeah game like Kingdom Come Deliverance is transphobic, homopobhic, sessist and racist game.
Reeeee
MementoMori May 1, 2020 @ 11:32am 
Originally posted by Nyaka~Hime:
I'm not here to make statements, but in games like these I'm not really interested in playing from a male POV. Who cares if it's historically accurate or not. I just wanna have fun.
Oh yeah game like Kingdom Come Deliverance is transphobic, homopobhic, sessist and racist game. LOL
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