Is it Possible to Beat Contrarian King on Hard?

[1A Gaming]

I'm at Yukiko's Castle for the third time (twice to rescue Yuki and now back to train her) and I just got to the optional boss Contrarian King.

Well, he's killing anyone and everyone in one hit. I'm using lvl 17 Jack Frost with 13 End. King likes to BS by using Red Wall but he absorbs Fire so it's a bluff (found that out instantly first fight).

Hysterical Slap kills anyone except me cuz Jack's too tough, but it leaves me with like 20 HP. If he uses Rampage, and he will, he drastically overkills everyone, doing like 700 damage to people with a Diamond Shield in use (Defense up). That really seems like some End-Game damage right there... I mean I don't think even the Reaper has ever hit me for that in P3P or P4.

Is there some specific trick? Like a specific sequence in which I need to do certain things? Or is it just a troll from Atlus and they are just forcing people to put it on Normal or Easy to get past him? I'm attempting a full play on Hard, but with damage that unimaginable, I don't see that happening at all. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see him bust out Megidolaon on me.

[1A Gaming]

Oprindeligt skrevet af The Guy:

He is possible to beat but you really have to set up to fight him if you decide to do it right away. If you cheese him, it's even easier. I was able to do at at around level 15 on Hard.

I'm finding him impossible at level 17. I intend to grind to level 18, craft my old main Yaksini, give her Resist Physical, and make sure to have some serious medication for my soft, squishy teammates.

I don't have enough Goho-M's right now so I guess I'm going back tomorrow. Who's bright idea was it to remove the save point by the boss door? That alone has been driving me nuts cuz I never know when some rando will critical me, or when I'll be waxed out by a Mudo, so I gotta keep going back to the entrance to keep from losing grind progress.

And it would sure be nice to find an unlocked chest once in a while.
Grind enemies for a key > Open locked chest > Get another Bead > Be disappointed

I'd kill for a physical mirror. Just one might be enough.

[Lord Prosciutto]

If you manage to crit don't do the all out attack. Instead keep hitting him and there's a chance he gets dizzy which makes him skip a turn. Also he seems to use Rampage often after you AOA him so it's risky anyway.

[Cold Sunshine]

On Very Hard, his Rampage deals 300-350 dmg if it connects, and his other attacks deal enough damage to kill a member instantly (except full health Yosuke w/ Gentleman's Tux iirc), so don't bother healing people. Revive them as soon as possible though.

My strategy (my party was 20~21 iirc):
- First turn: MC uses Sukunda, Chie boosts MC's AT, Yosuke boosts MC's EV
- After that, MC spams Bufula (Jack Frost w/ Ice Boost + Ice accessory can deal up to 260~290 dmg per hit), the rest try to fish for a crit to get the boss Dizzy to buy time. Have Chie boost MC's AT again if it's about to run out.

It took me 3 tries to win (the boss used Rampage too early and it hit the MC despite the buff/debuff)

[dreammeen]

yes, you can also just do the boss later when you get null/reflect physical

[Tiasmoon]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Joe Beezy:

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Level 25 huh... so they expect me to have grinded for like 6 hours I guess. Being level 10 at the Yukiko fight was enough to win cuz I made Valkyrie with Bufu.

Nah, they expect us to come back for him and beat him after finishing second dungeon.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Raidou Coochienoha:

And I'm pretty sure Hard and Very Hard incentivizes less grind because of the reduced XP and Money, you can beat most bosses in harder difficulty with good strategies.

That incentizes more grind, not less. If you play through it normally on Very Hard, you will be vastly underleveled most of the time. Lower money gain does make the dungeons more dangerous tho, as it means you cant afford to heal up at the Fox all the time.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Joe Beezy:

I don't have enough Goho-M's right now so I guess I'm going back tomorrow. Who's bright idea was it to remove the save point by the boss door?

We dont need Save Points in this version, since we can always go outside and come back to max floor we reached anyways. Sure it means having Goho-M's, but once you realise that its np.

You can just do him around level 25 and have an easier time. At Hard+ he really isnt balanced to be fought below that level range.

Btw, you can customize the difficulty in the settings menu.

[1A Gaming]

Got that basturd.

My plan was basically the exact right thing. Fuse my second-favorite naked demon lady.

Yaksini - Resist Physical / Resist Fire / Ice Boost / Bufula - Done. And yeah I realize she already gets Ice Boost and Bufula but I simply wanted to get them on the spot instead of more grinding to level her up.

For some reason Sasuke.... I mean, Yosuke's Sukukaja was working really well this time. The King missed everyone a lot. Tarukaja + Bufula and Rakunda were pretty much the deciding combo here. Hell I even kept everyone healed. Only used 2 Revival Beads.

Good Riddance to that freaking side-boss, and HELLO to my favorite... uh second-favorite naked demon lady!

[Tiasmoon]

Rampage has a lowered chance to hit, so that makes lowering the King's hit chance very effective.

[BigEffinZed]

I beat him randomly when Chie follow up attack and kicked him into space. Lol

[hyperstructure]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Joe Beezy:

immediately Teddy tells me there's a shadow I should beat, and he's like 4 times stronger than Yukiko?

to be fair the point of that is to let you know that you can keep grinding that dungeon after you rescue Yukiko. the dungeon itself is very easy too, it's just the boss that's noticeably harder.

[Ryncage]

Im just glad the game lets you retry the floor instead of boot you back to the menu.
I would have been salty as ♥♥♥♥ if the game made you reload.

Game certainly expects you to know what the boss is capable of prior to fighting it.
barely any chance of beating the boss blind on your first encounter unless you somehow just get so lucky he doesn't rampage.

[1A Gaming]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Rylon:

Im just glad the game lets you retry the floor instead of boot you back to the menu.
I would have been salty as ♥♥♥♥ if the game made you reload.

Game certainly expects you to know what the boss is capable of prior to fighting it.
barely any chance of beating the boss blind on your first encounter unless you somehow just get so lucky he doesn't rampage.

The only way he will maybe not use Rampage is if you don't knock him down at all. If you do, it's guaranteed to happen. When you manage to knock him down, you got 2 options:

1. Forgo the use of AoA and just hit him in the hopes it makes him Dizzy (if not it's GG)
   
2. Forgo the use of AoA and just Guard with everyone, knowing he'll us Rampage

Either way, All-out Attack is out. It just doesn't do the damage you require and leaves you all open for certain death from Rampage.

In fact, AoA seems to be almost useless in general except against softies like birds etc.. It really would be a waste if not for Twin Dragons from Chie/Yukiko. AoA seems to do less damage in P4G than it did in P4. It's a better idea to go for the Dizzy while they're down.

[nephalim]

Can you beat him on hard? If you go with a high enough level you can beat him on rush.

[1A Gaming]

Oprindeligt skrevet af nephalim:

Can you beat him on hard? If you go with a high enough level you can beat him on rush.

That's what I'm playing on. First playthrough, on Hard, and beat him using Yaksini with Ice Boost, Bufula and Resist Physical.

[Gavin8130]

Just so you know, you can sell treasure to the arms dealer and he will add some more weapons to the shop, you're supposed to sell the treasure you get from rescuing yukiko and get better weapons and armor.

Its very worth it to kill the contrarian king because you get an OP weapon for Yukiko.

[Tiasmoon]

In Golden its not quite as good as the Phys Evade weapon you get by trading at the Pub.