Is there still a chance to see the subway implemented in Night City? 🚇

[Zona Tycoon]

Hello!

I'm really still hoping that some update will include the public transportation network in Night City.

Do you think the team will finish including it (since currently almost all the work is done) or is it really a discarded idea? 🤔

[Zebedee]

To me it would seem like a lot of work to implement to have a small section of the current fast travel system covered and even more work to then extend it to places without those partially completed stations. And at the end of that you'd still just have V standing/sitting watching the city go by. Why do that when you could expand or extend an actual part of the city and fill it with NPCs and quests for the same effort put in?

[Zona Tycoon]

Първоначално публикувано от Zebedee:

To me it would seem like a lot of work to implement to have a small section of the current fast travel system covered and even more work to then extend it to places without those partially completed stations. And at the end of that you'd still just have V standing/sitting watching the city go by. Why do that when you could expand or extend an actual part of the city and fill it with NPCs and quests for the same effort put in?

Because it is immersive and enriches the atmosphere of the game. And it is also practically ready, it was canceled in a very advanced state of development:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5ocmqvGDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5-HM21uViU
I think that makes the difference between a good game and a mediocre one.
The "missing" things are more necessary than including new NPCS or quests. Things such as...
- Improve the AI of policemen 👮, enemies and NPCS.

- Improve driving systems that are now useless. NPCS cannot overcome obstacles, they cannot drive motorcycles 🏍️, they do not have any AI.

- Let there be a public transportation system! Like trains, bus, metro, taxi... 🚇

- Increase interaction with the city: bars 🥂, recreational stands, interactions with NPCS.

[Zebedee]

Първоначално публикувано от Urakire:

Because it is immersive and enriches the atmosphere of the game. And it is also practically ready, it was canceled in a very advanced state of development:

If by 'advanced' you mean they'd started to do a few stations and planned some of the track to link them up, sure. That's a long way from finished though, and a very, very long way from covering the entire city. My feeling, based mainly on testing games in development, is that they're far more likely to extend parts of Pacifica into a high level zone for ongoing play and add some form of 'games' area (casino?) with quests around it. But nice to dream of other things. :)

[LukanGamer]

They cant even fix bugs or add content outside of another car or ugly/bad shirt you will only wear briefly...

[sansee]

Based on early drawings and by looking at the map (and the fact that having a CyberPunk game without something like it seems a bit ridicules) I'm personally confident that there originally were meant to have a sewer/underground area, but as with many other things, it too got ripped out due to time and mismanagement.

Heck, even the old physical map of the city features areas that aren't in the "final" game that has also been cut out.

Yes, it's nice to dream of what could have been; a darker underground sewer system would really get the game deeper with a more ugly and noticeable class differences between the inhabitants of the city (many games and movies touches on the idea that the more wealthy you are the higher up above the smog you live. Frankly, the city is beautiful but way too light and shallow), but sadly, it will never be implemented. With recent years of neglect by these bigger studios it's clear that the upper management care very little of what they themselves create, promote and finally release...

[Tanoomba]

Първоначално публикувано от DriftManiac:

GTA had subway but CP doesn't.

Yes, different games are different.

[セーラーマーズ]

Honestly, I think the resources can be better used to create a new story-line, characters, cyberware, action animations, vehicle customisation, etc.

I've been crammed in trains for almost two decades and I don't feel like doing it in a game. Even accepted a 400% pay cut to get away from it.

[セーラーマーズ]

Първоначално публикувано от DanteYoda:

I feel it seems silly they added all the subway content to just never use it.. but on the other hand now the fast travel is all over the map who would actually use the subway constantly?

The thing is I'm just not convinced that this feature would add much to the game for the cost. I might be wrong, of course. Alien Isolation had a simple train/metro built in so maybe they could do something like that? Do note that there are only a few train hub stations and destinations and the game world isn't exactly as big as CP2077.

[Tanoomba]

Първоначално публикувано от セーラーマーズ:

Even accepted a 400% pay cut to get away from it.

So, you now pay your boss triple what he used to pay you?

[セーラーマーズ]

Първоначално публикувано от Tanoomba:

So, you now pay your boss triple what he used to pay you? :momocat:

I migrated to another country x.x;

[Grobut]

Първоначално публикувано от セーラーマーズ:

The thing is I'm just not convinced that this feature would add much to the game for the cost.

And you'd be correct.

Adding in a fully modelled public transit system would be an absolutely huge undertaking, because we're not just talking about modelling enteriours in some buildings and adding the tracks, rather, since the metro rides on rails above ground in this game, you'd have to rework the entire city to include a the LOD-zones required to run the game smoothly from the rails.

They haven't even completed the on-ground LOD-zones and LOD-meshes that are in the game right now. It's absolutely full of missing meshes and poorly optimized zones that still need more work, so adding in this whole new level of complexity whilst all of this still isen't finished would be downright crazy.

[R3m0ved]

Първоначално публикувано от Grobut:

Първоначално публикувано от セーラーマーズ:

The thing is I'm just not convinced that this feature would add much to the game for the cost.

And you'd be correct.

Adding in a fully modelled public transit system would be an absolutely huge undertaking, because we're not just talking about modelling enteriours in some buildings and adding the tracks, rather, since the metro rides on rails above ground in this game, you'd have to rework the entire city to include a the LOD-zones required to run the game smoothly from the rails.

They haven't even completed the on-ground LOD-zones and LOD-meshes that are in the game right now. It's absolutely full of missing meshes and poorly optimized zones that still need more work, so adding in this whole new level of complexity whilst all of this still isen't finished would be downright crazy.

What is downright crazy is indeed how much missing meshes, ridiculous LoD for long distance objects, poorly optimized zones ? I'd say poorly optimized game overall

So yeah, it's still crazy that the Metro was overly used in various marketing trailers, artworks and so on... Rails were still present in GOLD 1.0 with a metro that went into buildings (lol, you can still find footage of it) and that no NPC could take because no code, residual metro stations with NPC that goes in and out because there's nothing

All that were ripped with Day 1 update

My bad, there are still some metro stations in Night City

Crazy i agree

[Affronter]

I would like to hope there's a chance for it to be fully implemented. It's one of a hundred missed opportunities in CPMMLXXVII.

[Francis_Mallman]

A working subway would make the city feel much more alive - even the original WatchDogs had a working subway.

[セーラーマーズ]

Първоначално публикувано от R3m0ved:

What is downright crazy is indeed how much missing meshes, ridiculous LoD for long distance objects, poorly optimized zones ? I'd say poorly optimized game overall

Which was why I was thinking maybe they could try the Alien Isolation approach where you would enter the train, transition to a black screen, and appear at your destination... with the proper sound effects it would still be quite immersive.