Have you read Cyberpunk 2077 credits?

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

I learned 3 things from credits.

1) This game was co-developed with Nvidia.
Consoles use AMD GPUs. This game uses Nvidia proprietary technologies and thats why its so PC centric. Back in the days there was a program "Nvidia the way it meant to be played", when gamedevelopers tuned their engines to nvidia exclusive features, so nvidia can sell more new GPUs. Seems like CDPR still live it this era. Performance of this game is bad not only because it poorly optimized, but also because it advertizes you go buy new nvidia based RIG to play CP77.

2) Music and overall audio is trash, because CDPR didn't outsource it.
There were stories of success like Let it Die, when publisher produced not only the game but also music singles for certain originally indie bands. CDPR tried that and failed, because it failed to deliver their own product (the game). No wonder music in this game is bad, because CDPR bought random indie songs and did nothing in music production to cut costs.

3) Marketing was aggressive successful and good... because they didn't advertise their game
Do you know who did that? Read the credits. BANDAI NAMCO (world) and WB (in NA)

Don't get me wrong i love this game. I hate CDPR though. CDPR management is bunch of gready delusional loosers. They deserve bankrupsy.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

Absolutely disgusted with your attitude, you love the game but hate the people that made it.
And then you're wishing bankruptcy causing many many people to lose their jobs?

If the product is good, it doesn't mean the company is good. The main purpose of every company is making profit. Greedy CDPR management derserve bancrupsy. This company made their developers work 13 hours a day 6 days a week almost for free! There is no excuse for this kind of exploitation. If people are so afraid to lose their job then may be they deserve such attitude. I dunno. Anyway, talanted people always will find new job. It's not the end of the world.

You think the devs worked 78 hours a week almost for free, are you being serious now?
I can unequivocally guarantee you have some sort of product that is not eco friendly, is against human rights like say something manufactured by Foxconn but you're the judge, jury and executioner right?

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

What qualifies you to how well someone else can do their job?, you have already posted vitriol towards the company wishing bankruptcy upon them, now you're saying who is qualified to do what work.

I'm the customer. CDPR is the company. Cyberpunk 2077 is the product. The product has issues. Company failed to fullfil; promises. It's as simple as that. I don't need to be qualified as a chef to determine wheter soup is good or not.

Possibly not, but you don't get to judge how a chef does what they do best when you are not qualified to do so.

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

Maybe i'm not a game developer, but it is you who start conversation with ad hominem arguments. Are you even "qualified" to discuss anything? =)

That's not how ad hom works, I never attacked you, I said your attitude, and this is quite transparent as you want the company to go bankrupt.

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

You think the devs worked 78 hours a week almost for free, are you being serious now?
I can unequivocally guarantee you have some sort of product that is not eco friendly, is against human rights like say something manufactured by Foxconn but you're the judge, jury and executioner right?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75939/cd-projekt-red-devs-working-100-hour-work-weeks-on-cyberpunk-2077/index.html

This is Cyberpunk 2077 forum. And i discuss CP77 and CDPR related issues here. Even if I use products built by slaves in China it doesn't give any excuse for CDPR behaviour.
I believe it called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well type of fallacy

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

Possibly not, but you don't get to judge how a chef does what they do best when you are not qualified to do so. That's not how ad hom works, I never attacked you, I said your attitude, and this is quite transparent as you want the company to go bankrupt.

:pedro:

I actually do judge. Chef had one job and he failed. I want soup and if chef can't make me tasty soup I fire him or never buy his soup again. His qualification means nothing, if he failed to make a soup.

Attack on the characteristics or authority of the writer without adderessing the substance of the argument is Ad Hominem argument by definition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Basicly you imply i have no authority to judge quality of product and qulification of people who personally responsible for the product. Why again? Because i use not eco friendly products which violates human rights? LOL!

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

Heavens Blade původně napsal:

Oh no, the game uses more than 10% of your cpu! How awwfffullll!

It is awfull though. Game industry has solved this problem a decade ago. Seem like CDPR developers were not aware of this.

The biggest issue with resources consumption is the game doesn't utilize them properly.
In most cases it's quite the opposite. It doesn't utilize GPU resources, while being 100% at CPU on one scene and vice versa on another.

There is a chance we'll see the code.
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/319940-source-code-stolen-from-cyberpunk-2077-developer-reportedly-sold
So community could fix it.

[Kamamura]

QLOC did the porting to other platforms. That says it all.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

nVidia are listed very far into the credits, after all of the other principle dev, cast, and even publishing and distribution partners. They appear under a heading called "other partners" and consist of engineering, technical art, QA, marketing, management, and production. I think it's reasonable to assume this is a combination of just point of contact and some actual technical cooperation on implementation of DLSS, driver optimizations, API, etc.

AMD are also listed right under them. And before that, Sony, MS, Bandai Namco, and many others. Standard stuff. No conspiracy afoot, much as that disappoints some.

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

Heavens Blade původně napsal:

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

It is awfull though. Game industry has solved this problem a decade ago.

It isn't "a problem", what a bafflingly ridiculous assertion.

I don't see anything "awful" about it, the game is hungry for overall system resources, aside from ram, and so everything has to work slightly harder, that's progress, and literally it's a large part of the reason we just didn't stop with 8086's back in the day.

Wow.

Well, zoning is a mathematical problem. The solved one. Different game engines have different implementation for zoning algorithms. RED engine does not apply it for dynamically generated objects. Only for static meshes.

It's definitely something to do with NPC/car pathfinding. Apparently they failed to make these two algorithms work together.

The result: game wastes CPU resources for nothing all the time, because someone can't or more likely didn't have time to code.

Also this game isn't hungry for OVERALL system resources. It's hungry for one resource while fail to utilize other resources. The consumption is unbalanced. Because developers didn't optimize the code.

The only ridiculous thing is your assertion about 8086 CPUs. Do you really think that poorly optimized games with mediocre graphics move the industry forward? Wow.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

You think the devs worked 78 hours a week almost for free, are you being serious now?
I can unequivocally guarantee you have some sort of product that is not eco friendly, is against human rights like say something manufactured by Foxconn but you're the judge, jury and executioner right?

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75939/cd-projekt-red-devs-working-100-hour-work-weeks-on-cyberpunk-2077/index.html

So an article with no proof.

Some anonymous CDPR devs have told Bloomberg's Jason Schreier that they're working 100-hour work weeks.

Some anonymous devs, woah, stop the press.

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

Possibly not, but you don't get to judge how a chef does what they do best when you are not qualified to do so. That's not how ad hom works, I never attacked you, I said your attitude, and this is quite transparent as you want the company to go bankrupt.

I actually do judge. Chef had one job and he failed. I want soup and if chef can't make me tasty soup I fire him or never buy his soup again. His qualification means nothing, if he failed to make a soup.

So you fire some cook that has nothing to do with video games?

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

There is a chance we'll see the code.
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/319940-source-code-stolen-from-cyberpunk-2077-developer-reportedly-sold
So community could fix it.

No the community can't do anything, there is a specific EULA which states you can not view code, alter it or reverse engineer it.

[NAVID PALID]

the only way to play this game with good frame rate and good graphics is using RTX series.
even top graphic cards melt when u play cyberpunk.
just watch utube perormance reviews.
and min and rec pc cdpr recomended is a lie and fake.u cant play the game smooth even on recomended pc by cdpr.
this game is just not optimized at all.

[NAVID PALID]

Heavens Blade původně napsal:

NAVID | $TEAMGIFTS.ir původně napsal:

the only way to play this game with good frame rate and good graphics is using RTX series.
even top graphic cards melt when u play cyberpunk.
just watch utube perormance reviews.
and min and rec pc cdpr recomended is a lie and fake.u cant play the game smooth even on recomended pc by cdpr.
this game is just not optimized at all.

This is untrue. I get decent fps with a 1660 ti.

if u got decent fps with gtx1660ti good for u because utube benchmarks shows something else.
and i cant play this game with DECENT fps on gtx1080ti.
so your card is better than mine.. or maybe decent fps of yours is diffrent than mine. i mean i cant play games less than 60 fps.

benchmark : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAGgY6HJxU

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

So an article with no proof.

Some anonymous CDPR devs have told Bloomberg's Jason Schreier that they're working 100-hour work weeks.

Some anonymous devs, woah, stop the press.

What now? Bloomberg also doesn't have authority? Who does?

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

No the community can't do anything, there is a specific EULA which states you can not view code, alter it or reverse engineer it.

:pedro:

And CDPR can not false advertising scam It's against the law, yet we have CP77. Oh, come on! You can't be that naive. If hackers will publish the code, mod developers could figure out how to fix the game. EULA haven't stop anyone ever. What CDPR gonna do? Sue their customers for using unoficial patch in singlplayer game they failed to deliver properly?

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

Heavens Blade původně napsal:

NAVID | $TEAMGIFTS.ir původně napsal:

the only way to play this game with good frame rate and good graphics is using RTX series.
even top graphic cards melt when u play cyberpunk.
just watch utube perormance reviews.
and min and rec pc cdpr recomended is a lie and fake.u cant play the game smooth even on recomended pc by cdpr.
this game is just not optimized at all.

This is untrue. I get decent fps with a 1660 ti.

Decent? What do you mean by decent?
I have 75 fps i9-9900k RTX2080 on 2K resolution without RTX enabled and Balanced DCSS.
It's definitely playable, but not decent.

[Wisp Cat]

I can't tell how much of the OP's post was (edit: intended to be) honorable, how much was irony and how much was sarcasm.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

So an article with no proof.

Some anonymous CDPR devs have told Bloomberg's Jason Schreier that they're working 100-hour work weeks.

Some anonymous devs, woah, stop the press.

What now? Bloomberg also doesn't have authority? Who does?

An anonymous source can mean anything, he is just another guy who actually blocks people when he doesn't get his way, so yes he doesn't have any authority if he cannot prove anything.

https://www.wolfsheadonline.com/i-was-blocked-by-bloomberg-news-jason-schreier-on-twitter/

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

No the community can't do anything, there is a specific EULA which states you can not view code, alter it or reverse engineer it.

And CDPR can not false advertising scam It's against the law,

So sue them, also what you're saying is libel fwiw

Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse původně napsal:

yet we have CP77. Oh, come on! You can't be that naive. If hackers will publish the code, mod developers could figure out how to fix the game. EULA haven't stop anyone ever. What CDPR gonna do? Sue their customers for using unoficial patch in singlplayer game they failed to deliver properly?

CDPR own the code, so what you're suggesting is if someone broke into your house and then things of a personal nature were uploaded to the net, you somehow think that this now becomes public property?, it's convenient you think stolen code now becomes public access.

I think we're done here.

[⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡]

Wednesday Crisis původně napsal:

I can't tell how much of the OP's post was (edit: intended to be) honorable, how much was irony and how much was sarcasm.

Well my reply to him would now give us a greater understanding that he thinks CDPR no longer own the code if it is publicly released.

[Bacon von Bisschenbesser Strasse]

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

An anonymous source can mean anything, he is just another guy who actually blocks people when he doesn't get his way, so yes he doesn't have any authority if he cannot prove anything.

Another ad hominem argument. By your logic if you block me on steam, it means your comments are automatically invalid?

⚡Snake⚡Plissken⚡ původně napsal:

CDPR own the code, so what you're suggesting is if someone broke into your house and then things of a personal nature were uploaded to the net, you somehow think that this now becomes public property?, it's convenient you think stolen code now becomes public access.

I think we're done here.

Yeah. This is getting ridiculous. I'm getting tired of your personal arguments with me.

CDPR is a company and I'm a person. Companies exsist only for one purpose only to make profit. They don't have anything of personal nature only finacial and business related information and property. It has nothing to do with personal damage. At the end of the day CDPR just make less profit. That's it. And it was already stolen and sold. Damage has been done already.

I don't understand what you're trying to say to me. You don't like my opinion? I get it. But you have nothing to say, except some stupid analogies and hypocritical fallacy.