Too many e-celebs being put in the game.

[phosTR]

Why CDPR? Just to catter to the twitch audience? It seems now you guys gonna put that Dr. wahtever guy in the game. What is the point of this? It sure feels like ME3 when they added some IGN reporter in the game but in this you gonna have like 6 or 7 e-celebs + a big A star celebrity. Feels weird tbh.

[Bierno]

why does it matter.. I dont think they will affect the game much

[SupaSuba]

when you realise you can mod the game and make the e celebs say hot takes frtom out of context clips looking forward to hearding pewdiepies bridge dialogue

[cheetah1546]

I am not even thinking about mods yet

[Arvaos]

D'Cinamon původně napsal:

LvlUpStrength původně napsal:

Believe me, it can.

If you have never played a Skyrim quest mod, you won’t know how jarring it is when you come across a poorly acted character.

One is a mod, made by community, that doesn't really have budget to make high quality stuff. The other is made by actual developer who has every intention to make a product that will sell.

Yes just because they are e-celebs doesn't guarantee them to be good actor, but again its very likely CDPR make sure to quality check everything before they put them in the game. I mean even they put a lot of details in the sound of cars to even record the sound of the window. it would be stupid to not put attention to story and side quests, which is the main attraction of the game

As another person said, it comes across as jarring even if it is professionally recorded.

Those of of us not a part of the Twitch meme culture won’t have a clue who she is and only see it as immersion breaking if it isn’t up to the standard of professional voice acting.

[Count D'Cinamon]

LvlUpStrength původně napsal:

D'Cinamon původně napsal:

One is a mod, made by community, that doesn't really have budget to make high quality stuff. The other is made by actual developer who has every intention to make a product that will sell.

Yes just because they are e-celebs doesn't guarantee them to be good actor, but again its very likely CDPR make sure to quality check everything before they put them in the game. I mean even they put a lot of details in the sound of cars to even record the sound of the window. it would be stupid to not put attention to story and side quests, which is the main attraction of the game

As another person said, it comes across as jarring even if it is professionally recorded.

Those of of us not a part of the Twitch meme culture won’t have a clue who she is and only see it as immersion breaking if it isn’t up to the standard of professional voice acting.

well we will soon find it out. id still give cdpr benefit of the doubt, that hopefully they do quality check these streamers or e celebs before putting them in.

[cheetah1546]

LvlUpStrength původně napsal:

D'Cinamon původně napsal:

One is a mod, made by community, that doesn't really have budget to make high quality stuff. The other is made by actual developer who has every intention to make a product that will sell.

Yes just because they are e-celebs doesn't guarantee them to be good actor, but again its very likely CDPR make sure to quality check everything before they put them in the game. I mean even they put a lot of details in the sound of cars to even record the sound of the window. it would be stupid to not put attention to story and side quests, which is the main attraction of the game

As another person said, it comes across as jarring even if it is professionally recorded.

Those of of us not a part of the Twitch meme culture won’t have a clue who she is and only see it as immersion breaking if it isn’t up to the standard of professional voice acting.

Could not have said it any better myself

[CrUsHeR]

Celebrities, that were people like Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson with a billion fans across the globe.

Streamers and influencers are nobodies in comparison, literally - noone outside of the target audience's filter bubbles knows who they are and don't care about what they do.

Just embarassing, why would CDPR put such a crap into their game.

[MeinChurro]

Pandering to twitch audience. Marketing. Why games like Fortnite, or among us, etc. are successful.

[easymoneysniper]

CrUsHeR původně napsal:

Celebrities, that were people like Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson with a billion fans across the globe.

Streamers and influencers are nobodies in comparison, literally - noone outside of the target audience's filter bubbles knows who they are and don't care about what they do.

Just embarassing, why would CDPR put such a crap into their game.

I think this might be the worst response to this thread, if their nobodies then why does it matter? why does it affect you? you probably wouldnt have even known these people were in the game.

[\Forever Alone/]

And i thought i had to fear Keanu Reeves will ruin my immersion and make me fear he´s in game will make my game play noxious. Because most of time they are there sake of fan service and fullfill devs fandom toward them. Like death stranding did and lot of other game´s.

At least main character is not damn celeb. But i do find it annoing if i´m running around the town. I see bro fists and are you part of floor gang meme because certain E-Celeb is there. No hate toward this fella.

[\Forever Alone/]

Also idea of me adding some random celeb in game will instantly draw from them to this game is silly. There are people even thought read, listen, and watch him does not make this fella to get this product because he´s in it. When they added witcher in monster hunter world i did not get this game sake of it. But when i played that part of game. I hated it.

Sure they can influence sale´s. But they typically wont influence sales inside of game. But simply playing game it self. Like most of cases.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

Speaking solely for myself, none of this is going to feel immersion breaking to me. Firstly, I don't know who most of these people are, and won't be able to tell them apart from any other random NPC's voice frankly. I think people forget that this game is going to be packed with content. These are very minor characters, not pivotol to the major subquests. At most, they will show up in a few of the (75 or more) minor "street story" missions. They aren't going to be central to the game, and won't even show up in a fifth of those "street stories" in all likelihood.

But even apart from that, their presence as a character doesn't harm my immersion (again speaking solely for myself) anymore than a famous actor getting a role in a film does. I mean, Keanu himself is a prime example. He's an actor. He's been in so many roles, with such similar line deliveries, that he's practically a caricature of himself (I love Keanu's films, and think he's a delight, don't get me wrong. But still. Keanu = the guy who says "Whoa" and does martial arts stunts.)

Yet his presence in this game doesn't harm my immersion anymore than seeing him in the 4th John Wick movie does. Because I don't think when I see him in a cinematic context, "Oh, it's Keanu again." I'm watching a film, I am willingly checking reality at the door and suspending disbelief. I see him as the character. Just as I see Johnny Silverhand as a character, not as Keanu with a metal arm. Just as I see Sam Jackson as Mace Windu when I watch Star Wars, not Sam Jackson with a purple lightsaber lol.

I would expect people to be more upset about Grimes than twitch streamers, honestly, and am surprised to see so few people in this topic mention her. She's much more well known, and a real world musician playing an in-universe musician. She has actual world building and, apparently, fairly significant content in the game. She won't damage my immersion either because, again, I will perceive her as the character being portrayed, not the "celebrity" portraying her. But it's a bit surprising people care more about the streamers/influencers/presenters/producers/other industry professionals in the game than they do about her inclusion. She isn't a professional actor or voice actor either after all, and that's being presented now as the criteria for being concerned or not being concerned.

Honestly, that's one reason why, while I respect everyone's opinions, and while I could be wrong, it feels to me more like being more about people just not liking the idea of "e-celebs" (even that title carries a negative connotation with it that "content creator" doesn't) being in their highly anticipated video game, than about actual concerns vis-à-vis immersion disruption. But to each their own.

[\Forever Alone/]

Aikido původně napsal:

Speaking solely for myself, none of this is going to feel immersion breaking to me. Firstly, I don't know who most of these people are, and won't be able to tell them apart from any other random NPC's voice frankly. I think people forget that this game is going to be packed with content. These are very minor characters, not pivotol to the major subquests. At most, they will show up in a few of the (75 or more) minor "street story" missions. They aren't going to be central to the game, and won't even show up in a fifth of those "street stories" in all likelihood.

But even apart from that, their presence as a character doesn't harm my immersion (again speaking solely for myself) anymore than a famous actor getting a role in a film does. I mean, Keanu himself is a prime example. He's an actor. He's been in so many roles, with such similar line deliveries, that he's practically a caricature of himself (I love Keanu's films, and think he's a delight, don't get me wrong. But still. Keanu = the guy who says "Whoa" and does martial arts stunts.)

Yet his presence in this game doesn't harm my immersion anymore than seeing him in the 4th John Wick movie does. Because I don't think when I see him in a cinematic context, "Oh, it's Keanu again." I'm watching a film, I am willingly checking reality at the door and suspending disbelief. I see him as the character. Just as I see Johnny Silverhand as a character, not as Keanu with a metal arm. Just as I see Sam Jackson as Mace Windu when I watch Star Wars, not Sam Jackson with a purple lightsaber lol.

I would expect people to be more upset about Grimes than twitch streamers, honestly, and am surprised to see so few people in this topic mention her. She's much more well known, and a real world musician playing an in-universe musician. She has actual world building and, apparently, fairly significant content in the game. She won't damage my immersion either because, again, I will perceive her as the character being portrayed, not the "celebrity" portraying her. But it's a bit surprising people care more about the streamers/influencers/presenters/producers/other industry professionals in the game than they do about her inclusion. She isn't a professional actor or voice actor either after all, and that's being presented now as the criteria for being concerned or not being concerned.

Honestly, that's one reason why, while I respect everyone's opinions, and while I could be wrong, it feels to me more like being more about people just not liking the idea of "e-celebs" (even that title carries a negative connotation with it that "content creator" doesn't) being in their highly anticipated video game, than about actual concerns vis-à-vis immersion disruption. But to each their own.

Totally see your points. But the reason why i feel negative ways E-celebs and celebs in game is bad thing for me is because there´s chance where fandom with in game or outside of game will ruin product for other´s like me. For my experiences from game´s STAR WARS Jedi: Fallen Order movie characters was one major reason why i did not buy this game. Second major reason is i hate EA by passion. That black woman who´s acting that jedi on comic´s who looks awful in game. Not that i´m calling her ugly. But she is middle of uncanny valley creepy. While i hated main character also. I could not immerse my self to him. Trailers and lets plays did not save it. Just hated caste. If main character was self made avatar with simple actor voice. I could have gotten game. But some reason they creep me out more than horror game´s and simply adding EA behind them. Nah...

Same goes to E-celebs. I know witcher had some people in game. Some reviewers were trolls in game and farting lot. I did not get anything from this thought i respect many of these people online. Having them from online in game can ruin my experience because it´s hard to remove them from real life to in game. But there are expections like i do not know them in game or in real life. Then there is no problems outside them self ruining their role.

Also lot of time they just waste resourses sake of fandom. If Norman was swapped any generic character in game no one would care. "speaking death stranding" Now they wasted lot more to make lot of easter eggs and meme´s around fella. Then other ads and celebs acting odd like conan of brian in that world setting.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

\Forever Alone/ původně napsal:

the reason why i feel negative ways E-celebs and celebs in game is bad thing for me is because there´s chance where fandom with in game or outside of game will ruin product for other´s like me.

I guess that's what I don't relate to in people's concerns about this. Personally, I see no distinction between the fandom of this game and the fandoms of the individuals in question. There's not a magical invisible barrier between them that says they can't just incidentally also be fans of this game and of cyberpunk in general. Or of video games in general. That's another thing I mentioned earlier in the topic and will reiterate: a lot of these people being included are simply legitimately fans of this game and video games in general.

It would be one thing if they were just playing themselves. But they aren't, they are playing fully developed characters distinct from themselves and their online "brands." They're just providing likenesses and voices. No different than the actors portraying the other roles. (Or, as I said, Grimes. Which I'm still baffled as to why people seem more concerned about a small handful of streamers and influencers having minor character performances in the game than they are over a well known non-actor musical celebrity having a far more developed and consequential role in the game. Doesn't bother me personally, but I find it interestingly inconsistent where people's concerns are and aren't centered.)

This is kind of what I was getting at when I said it seems to me that people just dislike the idea of "e-celebs" being in a game. I have a feeling if it were just unknown fans who won a sweepstakes or something to appear in-game, no one would care. Because it would feel like members of their own "tribe" and people who were "real gamers" were being included. But people have this strange perception that if someone has a platform, or is a content creator by trade, or a producer/writer/presenter/whatever in the industry, that they somehow can't also just incidentally be a completely sincere fan of this game or of video games in general.

These people weren't soliciting to be included in the game. This was something CDPR initiated. And it's just weird, because like... CDPR has spared no effort over the years to be transparent, honest, and forthright with their customers, and has built a well earned reputation on that. They've kept people very in the loop about this game, their release plans, their monetization models, feature inclusion or exclusion, build changes, community Q&A, etc. But people are so ready to assume the absolute worst of motives and of quality control out of them now.

I'm sure from CDPR's perspective this is just a fun side thing they've peppered into the game and nothing more. At most, it's a meta nod to how influencers and cyber celebrities are so prominent in the world of Night City. (Which is actually not inconsistent with the themes of the game or its narrative from what we've seen thus far.) But people are acting like they've completely sold out, and I think a lot of that perception stems from the erroneous presumption that one cannot be a sincere fan, or deliver a serious performance in character, while also being an "e-celeb." Which again, in itself, is an oddly pejorative way to refer to content creators imo. Nobody would care if they cast tow truck drivers or doctors. Games cast non-actors all the time for minor voice roles.

I know witcher had some people in game.

Was TW3 really damaged in any particularly substantial way by those inclusions? I mean if it was for you or for others, I respect your opinions and the validity of your experiences. But I mean, the vast, vast consensus, both critically and by fans, was that it was a great game regardless.

Also lot of time they just waste resourses sake of fandom. If Norman was swapped any generic character in game no one would care. Now they wasted lot more to make lot of easter eggs and meme´s around fella.

No more resources are consumed than would be for doing the facial capture, motion capture, writing, scripting, and dialogue for any non-"e-celeb" actor they chose instead. All of the fully interactive voiced NPCs that have actual branching dialogue in-game are based on their performers' likenesses, not created ad hoc. (Dexter is literally Michael-Leon Wooley with added facial hair and glasses.)

This is kind of what I alluded to earlier. CDPR are professionals and well respected among their industry peers in terms of craft. It's just odd to me to presume that they are wasting resources or don't have a clear idea of what they're trying to achieve, or have sound reasons from their perspective for doing it.

I do suspect some small modicum of it is synergistic marketing, but I sincerely doubt that's the primary impetus since, again, why? They could easily have gone in another direction if they chose to. I think this is simply something they thought would be cool/fun to do, and that it won't have any deleterious impact on the game whatsoever. But again, to each their own.

[Count D'Cinamon]

\Forever Alone/ původně napsal:

Totally see your points. But the reason why i feel negative ways E-celebs and celebs in game is bad thing for me is because there´s chance where fandom with in game or outside of game will ruin product for other´s like me. For my experiences from game´s STAR WARS Jedi: Fallen Order movie characters was one major reason why i did not buy this game. Second major reason is i hate EA by passion. That black woman who´s acting that jedi on comic´s who looks awful in game. Not that i´m calling her ugly. But she is middle of uncanny valley creepy. While i hated main character also. I could not immerse my self to him. Trailers and lets plays did not save it. Just hated caste. If main character was self made avatar with simple actor voice. I could have gotten game. But some reason they creep me out more than horror game´s and simply adding EA behind them. Nah...

Same goes to E-celebs. I know witcher had some people in game. Some reviewers were trolls in game and farting lot. I did not get anything from this thought i respect many of these people online. Having them from online in game can ruin my experience because it´s hard to remove them from real life to in game. But there are expections like i do not know them in game or in real life. Then there is no problems outside them self ruining their role.

Also lot of time they just waste resourses sake of fandom. If Norman was swapped any generic character in game no one would care. Now they wasted lot more to make lot of easter eggs and meme´s around fella. Then other ads and celebs acting odd like conan of brian in that world setting.

I slightly disagree on the Norman part. Whether you liked the game or not, you can say that Hideo Kojima know exactly what he wants to make and what he envision about the game. It goes from the big part like casting, soundtracks, to the smaller details like the sound of every single bump and effects. I personally think norman reedus fits very well with the character he played because idk i always see him to have a very distinct face and i think it fits with the overall weird and mystery theme of the game.

but again i get your point that sometimes quality of a game can be ruined if the devs only focused on appealing to these mainstream audiences even tho it might be contradicting with the game

still, i wouldn't pass down judgement without even giving it a single chance at proving themselves. saying "uh oh game bad because they include these influencers in" without even knowing exactly how it would be is just unfair at best, imo. but we'll see, in 25 days