CP77 vs FO4 discuss

[Stray952]

So trying to empathize with the ragers here. I didn’t really follow the CP77 hype train, I had just always heard Witcher was good and CDPR did that series.

Playing CP77 I was pretty immediately enthralled in the setting, story, and the gameplay was really satisfying once I got my FPS stabilized and pushed past the bullet sponge enemies.

When I read how upset people are about CP77, I can see literally some of the same lines that people were using in regards to Fallout 4.

It was buggy, seemed like content was cut, systems were lazy. I was a huge fan of New Vegas and assumed that Bethesda would invest the same amount of narrative due-diligence as Obsidian had.

Not only did I find FO4 bad, I spent 100 hours getting mods and trying to retool it into something I wanted. No matter how much tweaking I did to turn morph it closer to New Vegas, the core of the game was soulless, the plot was vapid and uninteresting. Idk why it bothered me so much.

So on one hand I totally understand irrational rage at a game that let you down. On the other, I don’t get how it applies to CP77. There was no predecessor, at its core the game has soul, say whatever else you want about the gameplay, the side quests are written well instead of being the same tired tower system, or procedurally generated trash.

I am frustrated when I come across a scar in the game where some content is cut out, I am disappointed when the ripper doc just seamlessly replaces my skin without so much of a fade to black, and I am ripped from immersion when I have to spend 60 rounds shooting one enemy in the face.

However, that’s not really what the game IS right? You don’t play a game because it has bullet drop, or because they have a caliber-based damage system. You play a game because the world is interesting to you, and you want to do stuff in it.

Can anyone (calmly, seriously) explain to me how this doesn’t interest them in that way, AND how that’s a problem?

Because “they lied to me in the promo cycle” I’m sorry but just doesn’t make sense or explain anything. “It has bugs” allegedly, even though almost no one on PC is seeing these. And “it’s not GTA,” none of these, in my eyes, is valid.

If it is to you cool, but I’m genuinely curious if someone has a cogent, valid-to-me argument why this is the worst thing that’s ever happened to gaming, or even a genuinely capital B Bad game.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Stray952:

So trying to empathize with the ragers here.

You're off to a bad start, then.

[Minty]

Why not compare this game to Star Fox?

Not defending 2077 here. I think it's a disjointed mess with ♥♥♥♥♥♥ AI and a detestable wimp of a main character, but this is surely just another troll cesspool waiting to happen.

[Dondu]

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[Gonzo850]

Gonna get ugly.

[Minty]

Originally posted by Dondu:

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The account or the effort?

[pry_to]

Speaking only of this game on PC: It's not a bad game. There isn't a rational argument to say otherwise. On its own its not worse than any Assassin's Creed game etc. At worst its a 7.5/10, though I would personally rate it higher.

The outrage is that its not what we were told it's going to be(ground breaking, living world, your choices matter, or even an RPG at all) and it's not what it "could" have been. The shortcuts taken are painfully obvious and disappointment often turns to rage depending on the audience.

[EvilDonut]

Not saying youre wrong, comparing ♥♥♥♥ to ♥♥♥♥, but eh

[Beyond.Celsus]

Simplest answer is that with Fallout 4 you knew roughly what to expect since Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas could be played before it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is completely new (not taking the board games into account) so the only thing to go on was what they advertised and promoted.

The game we got in Cyberpunk is not what they advertised and promoted.

In short.
With Fallout 4 we knew what we would get and it's pretty safe to say fans of the previous games would be happy if they followed the same formula.

With Cyberpunk they showed us what we thought we would get and they blew it.

[GoV- VenGanZa TF2-T [A]]

Fallout was glorious, in spite of a ♥♥♥♥ engine and bugs the community had to fix.... and of course having Todd in the mix mad things a zillion times worse, yet Fallout as a series was great.

CD/P/R in spite of eventually fixing the Witcher 3 and making it great, will have to do a hell of a lot for years to rise above the abysmal launch that was CyberPunk.

[Minty]

Oh ♥♥♥♥, here come the idiots who fell for it.

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Since you brought up FO4, here's a few things it did better than CP77:
- choices matter in FO4. This was a promised feature in CP77 but it's not the case, while in FO4 it really makes a difference (different factions even, another thing CP77 lacks)
- FO4 has the better and much more intelligent cyberpunk themes. The Synth Question, need I say more?
- FO4 features an immersive world while CP77 doesn't despite the promise. Just compare NPC behavior in both games.
- CP77 promised us "it's all about the style" but there isn't even a barber lmao. In FO4 there is a barber.

[Beyond.Celsus]

Originally posted by Good Whiskey:

Oh ♥♥♥♥, here come the idiots who fell for it.

You took the time to comment in the thread so....

[Minty]

Originally posted by Scyth:

- CP77 promised us "it's all about the style" but there isn't even a barber lmao. In FO4 there is a barber.

"Welcome to Night City, where you can change everything about yourself in an instant!"

Oh cool. Can I have a haircut?

"Welcome to Night City, where no, you can't get a haircut. ♥♥♥♥ off, kid."

Originally posted by Beyond.Celsus:

Originally posted by Good Whiskey:

Oh ♥♥♥♥, here come the idiots who fell for it.

You took the time to comment in the thread so....

Doesn't change the fact that you fell right into it. lol

[Beyond.Celsus]

Originally posted by Good Whiskey:

Originally posted by Scyth:

- CP77 promised us "it's all about the style" but there isn't even a barber lmao. In FO4 there is a barber.

"Welcome to Night City, where you can change everything about yourself in an instant!"

Oh cool. Can I have a haircut?

"Welcome to Night City, where no, you can't get a haircut. ♥♥♥♥ off, kid."

Originally posted by Beyond.Celsus:

You took the time to comment in the thread so....

Doesn't change the fact that you fell right into it. lol

Fell for what exactly?

So sorry.
I don't spend most of my time scoping out forums.

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Originally posted by Good Whiskey:

Originally posted by Scyth:

- CP77 promised us "it's all about the style" but there isn't even a barber lmao. In FO4 there is a barber.

"Welcome to Night City, where you can change everything about yourself in an instant!"

Oh cool. Can I have a haircut?

"Welcome to Night City, where no, you can't get a haircut. ♥♥♥♥ off, kid."

lol. Yeah that was the most baffling thing to me. On the other hand you never even see your style outside the menu.