Cyber implants, enhancements and limbs: game vs reality

[1984]

In videogames like Borderlands, Deus Ex, Cyberfunk and pretty much any other game that has those, they look cool. Amazing chips built into your cranium and protruding out of it, metal limbs and arms that smoothly connect to flesh. Even if this is some low budget modification it looks all right.

But then you take a live action trailer from Deus Ex or some modeled Cyberfunk picture with real humans and it just looks hideous. What i am saying is that if this was a reality and we had people voluntarily replace their human limbs with prostheses it would just look awful.

Imagine humans disfiguring themselves because it was the thing. Making themselves disabled on purpose by augmenting limbs. Because in reality all those people in Deus Ex and Cyberfunk are disabled. And if you look at the places where implants connect to flesh it is painfully obvious how ugly it is. Just look at the Entropism style art that has photoshoped actual human being. And I guarantee that at the end of the day, no matter how much money you'd pay for them, say neokitsch style, you would still look broken.

Anyway, what I am saying is this: Nobody sees it because it is all fancy graphics and colors of videogames but what people are going to be seeing in any cyberpunk game is lots and lots of disabled people and it would not be cool if this was real life.

[Piderman]

Personal opinion.
Also:

Originally posted by ZER0_K%:

Making themselves disabled on purpose by augmenting limbs.

No. The purpose of replacing lost limbs is to restore overall functionality of the Body. Upgrading or replacing still functioning limbs with better ones is augmenting.

Edit: I would happily get a fully functioning metal Arm if i lost one for example in an accident. Because this would be way better then spending the rest of my life as cripple.

[zero]

calling disabled people invalid is pretty gross of you my dude.

that said, in a setting such as deus ex or cypunk, where artifical limbs are quite literally better then a organic limb, you will see many people in that society pursue obtaining those upgrades.

which to no surprise, is the theme of deus ex, that it is the next step in human evolution.

and in cypunk, where everything and everyone is comodity, you also see who these upgrades tend to be less human-like in nature, because only the wealthy obtain the privlage of a "standard" model, everyone else gets to make due.

you are meant to see these modifications as a natural state of things in both, and see the bigtory that revolves around both, albeit in different ways in each setting

[Neptor]

I think you're missing the point of the whole cyberpunk as a theme and genre. In future as depicted in these kinds of stories, there's no people who think like you. Just like tattooing is becoming more common these days, in world like cyberpunk, you're not interested in putting any effort to train your muscles for example, so you just buy enhanced bionic arms to effortlessly gain strength. Also, if the tech is widespread enough, and there's endless possibilities of features, people will make the jump, even real people.

[zero]

Originally posted by ZER0_K%:

Originally posted by Neptor:

I think you're missing the point of the whole cyberpunk as a theme and genre. In future as depicted in these kinds of stories, there's no people who think like you. Just like tattooing is becoming more common these days, in world like cyberpunk, you're not interested in putting any effort to train your muscles for example, so you just buy enhanced bionic arms to effortlessly gain strength. Also, if the tech is widespread enough, and there's endless possibilities of features, people will make the jump, even real people.

Well, I understand the game worlds, I do.

But if this was real life, I would rather keep my arms than cut them off and replace them with arms that can bend steel

see: the purist faction in deus ex.

Originally posted by Yolo Swaggins:

Personal opinion.
Also:

Originally posted by ZER0_K%:

Making themselves disabled on purpose by augmenting limbs.

No. The purpose of replacing lost limbs is to restore overall functionality of the Body. Upgrading or replacing still functioning limbs with better ones is augmenting.

Edit: I would happily get a fully functioning metal Arm if i lost one for example in an accident. Because this would be way better then spending the rest of my life as cripple.

and this is the "next step" faction, also from deus ex.

which is quite literally the point story.

[Neptor]

Originally posted by ZER0_K%:

Originally posted by Neptor:

I think you're missing the point of the whole cyberpunk as a theme and genre. In future as depicted in these kinds of stories, there's no people who think like you. Just like tattooing is becoming more common these days, in world like cyberpunk, you're not interested in putting any effort to train your muscles for example, so you just buy enhanced bionic arms to effortlessly gain strength. Also, if the tech is widespread enough, and there's endless possibilities of features, people will make the jump, even real people.

Well, I understand the game worlds, I do.

But if this was real life, I would rather keep my arms than cut them off and replace them with arms that can bend steel

Yeeah I think I can agree on some level. For example have you seen real people with prosthetic arms? They look really nice. They do, because they're a prosthetic, a separate thing that isn't integrated into the body. I suppose that in the Deus Ex live action trailer the reason they look bad is because they're on top of an existing parts, and blended with makeup. You'll never make it look convincing enough. I don't think we have much real examples that exists, with augmentations as they are in cyberpunk

[Neptor]

Originally posted by ZER0_K%:

Originally posted by Neptor:

Yeeah I think I can agree on some level. For example have you seen real people with prosthetic arms? They look really nice. They do, because they're a prosthetic, a separate thing that isn't integrated into the body. I suppose that in the Deus Ex live action trailer the reason they look bad is because they're on top of an existing arm, and blended with makeup. You'll never make it look convincing enough. I don't think we have much real examples that exists, with augmentations as they are in cyberpunk

Actually, some really artificial limbs are produced in US right now. They still look out of place but it is of course good for people who accidentally lose them but I am speaking about if everyone started exchanging their limbs because it was the trend

Isn't trendiness one of the key factors (stats?) in Cyberpunk 2020? and now in 2077? I think that it intends to show a "what if" scenario of what if it became trendy. Basically my final answer is my first reply.

[apex]

The lore book says the cyber augmentation actually evolved mostly from prosthetic limb replacements of the corporate wars. Take into account entire cities like rio have just been wiped from the map. Environmentally, desertification has begun with vast areas of habitable land becoming arid. Human life as you would have known it has ceased. Cybernetic Augmentation and the use of advanced technologies are an example of the human races attempt to adapt to the hazards theyve brought on themselves.. so yea, in their reality its now quite acceptable if still viewed as an extreme choice. Unless you're in a field which this may be helpful i wouldnt necessarily say people would voluntarily have their arms and legs removed for the sake of fashion, however you can look at modern cases of cosmetic surgery and have that quickly dismissed as well. People are going to be people. How many have gauge earrings? Nose piercings? Its a choice, and given the technology advancements in cyberpunk2077.. cant really compare modern ethics to future.

[Neptor]

Originally posted by apex:

The lore book says the cyber augmentation actually evolved mostly from prosthetic limb replacements of the corporate wars. Take into account entire cities like rio have just been wiped from the map. Environmentally, desertification has begun with vast areas of habitable land becoming arid. Human life as you would have known it has ceased. Cybernetic Augmentation and the use of advanced technologies are an example of the human races attempt to adapt to the hazards theyve brought on themselves.. so yea, in their reality its now quite acceptable if still viewed as an extreme choice. Unless you're in a field which this may be helpful i wouldnt necessarily say people would voluntarily have their arms and legs removed for the sake of fashion, however you can look at modern cases of cosmetic surgery and have that quickly dismissed as well. People are going to be people. How many have gauge earrings? Nose piercings? Its a choice, and given the technology advancements in cyberpunk2077.. cant really compare modern ethics to future.

real answer right here

[Zakor]

I might be wrong but it seems to me that some modifications are not entirely synthetic, it might use organic materials to avoid rejection by the body, they also seems to use no energy source but the user body

[apex]

Originally posted by Neptor:

Originally posted by apex:

The lore book says the cyber augmentation actually evolved mostly from prosthetic limb replacements of the corporate wars. Take into account entire cities like rio have just been wiped from the map. Environmentally, desertification has begun with vast areas of habitable land becoming arid. Human life as you would have known it has ceased. Cybernetic Augmentation and the use of advanced technologies are an example of the human races attempt to adapt to the hazards theyve brought on themselves.. so yea, in their reality its now quite acceptable if still viewed as an extreme choice. Unless you're in a field which this may be helpful i wouldnt necessarily say people would voluntarily have their arms and legs removed for the sake of fashion, however you can look at modern cases of cosmetic surgery and have that quickly dismissed as well. People are going to be people. How many have gauge earrings? Nose piercings? Its a choice, and given the technology advancements in cyberpunk2077.. cant really compare modern ethics to future.

real answer right here

The cybernetic augmentations could be similar to, like a class a drivers license. You can get one, sure, but how many of you need to haul around 26,000 lbs of freight?

[zacharyb]

If/when we get to the point where prosthetics are as good as they are in Cyberpunk or other futuristic games, movies, books, etc, we'll likely not look at people with missing limbs as disabled anymore if they have a prosthetic. And personally if I had problems with a part or parts of my body and completely fixing them or regrowing them wasn't an option, I don't think I'd have much problem getting a cyber prosthetic that would be better in every single way.

[Mononymouse]

"Real people" would Opt to become cyborgs, if the technology was there, and in fact Better, than the real thing.

There are people out there, who honestly hate their own limbs, for one reason or another, and legit get rid of them, there are folks who just want to push limits, etc.

There are all kinds. to try to exclude the actual real, aspects of the human condition, is to ignore the fact, that this could indeed happen, with the right setting, and pressures from corporate entities, in a government lacking setting.

Especially, if it gave a military advantage, to be modded.

[Defective Dopamine Pez Dispenser]

The premise of the game world is a reality where technology exists that permits such augmentations without any of the deleterious effects you allude to. That's the conceit of Cyberpunk.

Just as the conceit of, say, an Elder Scrolls game, is that actual gods and daedra exist and that magic is real.

[zero]

Originally posted by Aikido:

The premise of the game world is a reality where technology exists that permits such augmentations without any of the deleterious effects you allude to. That's the conceit of Cyberpunk.

Just as the conceit of, say, an Elder Scrolls game, is that actual gods and daedra exist and that magic is real.

i will say that in gameplay for 2020 there is a cybermadness that comes with getting too much tech, but its less technology related and moreso a loss of humanity kinda deal

[Ma]

Originally posted by Golden Snowflake ❄:

"Real people" would Opt to become cyborgs, if the technology was there, and in fact Better, than the real thing.

There are people out there, who honestly hate their own limbs, for one reason or another, and legit get rid of them, there are folks who just want to push limits, etc.

There are all kinds. to try to exclude the actual real, aspects of the human condition, is to ignore the fact, that this could indeed happen, with the right setting, and pressures from corporate entities, in a government lacking setting.

Especially, if it gave a military advantage, to be modded.

It seem you like to tinker with the ideas. But when you got to choose what you would become? a beautiful human being or beautiful shell of an augmented tool what can calculate 100 faster and jump 10 times further?

Its possible to kill human being by implanting a chip in their brain so they will be cured from some kind of mental illness or inappropriate thoughts like the desire to be purist, yes that illness is cured but the person is dead too because of he wouldn't have overcome it by himself.