Do NOT Seek Purification!!

[GrandMajora]

Alright, I understand some of you may consider this to be spoilers, but I don't care, because this is a very significant problem that everyone needs to be aware of.

When going to the Githyanki Cresche, do NOT seek out the purification device. Submitting yourself to it will inflict a massive debuff to your character in the form of a -2 on their Constitution, Intelligence and Wisdom scores.

As far as I can tell, these debuffs seem to be permanent, because they are not going away with a long rest, and Lesser Restoration can not alleviate them.

I did not notice this on my first playthrough, but I sure as hell did on my second one. Now Lae'zel is walking around with a huge nerf, and I don't know how to fix it.

[solaris32]

Publicado originalmente por wyndhambarnhill:

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Dude, the game has made it abundantly clear from the onset that Lae'zel is extremely determined to reunite with her people, and she doesn't trust any other form of healing besides the purification device.

She even tells you outright that if she believes you are heading in the wrong direction and she misses her chance to visit the creche, that she will leave and find it on her own.

This is not so much a 'choice with consequence' as it is an 'I don't want to lose the only front line tank we have at this point in the game right now because I pissed her off.'

I expected the machine to maybe kill her, or for the draining effects to be temporary once she had time to rest and recover. But no, they're a permanent and massive nerf to her character





I really hope that works. :-(

Oh man... yea. I had to backtrack all the way from the end of Act 2 to hit that creche, just to keep her from having a hissy fit and stomping off.
The more and more I look back at every plot point, I realize that this game is 100% on rails and that it wasn't my story to begin with.

It literally is your story. You could ignore her and keep going, but there would be consequences, as with any story. I swear there's no pleasing some people. If you hate plot points that move the story along (which is impossible to avoid in any story) then go RP in Minecraft or something.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

So is Lae'zel able to get ... the positive outcome that's described or no?

[Estellese]

Publicado originalmente por Lur Nen Rue:

Depend on the gamer really, some like this kind of thing, some doesn't
A little warning is harmless

There was a warning. MANY warnings. Throughout the entire playthrough up til then, it is abundantly clear that the Gith do not have a real means to remove the tadpoles. It is also made clear that your tadpoles are special, so even if they did have a way to remove normal ones it wouldn't work on yours.

When you talk to the lady at the device she gives away that this isn't what it seems. When you talk to the other Gith at the bridge, they say you're just gonna die.

When Laezel gets into the purification device, it explicitly tells you she will die. And heavily hints at the fact that this is not a normal death. If you investigate the machine it says plainly that this doesn't destroy the tadpoles. It steals their memories, and who they are, and then kills them.

When I made it to that point, I was 100% sure that going through purification would kill the character. Like, completely kill them. To the point that they can't be revived and are just gone from the game. Because the game was heavily pointing to that. It's like a bright neon sign saying "Doing this is going to muck things up really really badly"

If you get all those warnings, and you're still cheering for her to be purified...


The best way to handle it is to let her go in, then pass all the checks to steal power from the machine. She will come out unharmed.

Second best is to let her go in, pass some of the checks to investigate it and figure out what it does, and then tell her. Without using the tadpole I would assume as she doesn't like the tadpole. So she can break out of it and not be hurt, but doesn't get upset at you for not letting her try.

[Estellese]

Publicado originalmente por wyndhambarnhill:

The more and more I look back at every plot point, I realize that this game is 100% on rails and that it wasn't my story to begin with.

No, because in my second playthrough my MC didn't trust the scary frog lady and didn't even recruit her. So I can easily just skip that entire section.

You're not required to go there at all. You are ONLY required to go there if you want Laezel to travel with you. Although you might want to regardless as there are some major plot points in Laezel's questline that I think you will miss otherwise.

Laezel makes it plainly clear the moment you meet her that she intends to go there. So if you recruit her, you do so knowing she will be upset if you don't go. Railroading would be forcing you to recruit her. Not her leaving if you don't do the one and only thing she joined your party to do.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Publicado originalmente por Estellese:

Publicado originalmente por wyndhambarnhill:

The more and more I look back at every plot point, I realize that this game is 100% on rails and that it wasn't my story to begin with.

No, because in my second playthrough my MC didn't trust the scary frog lady and didn't even recruit her. So I can easily just skip that entire section.

You're not required to go there at all. You are ONLY required to go there if you want Laezel to travel with you. Although you might want to regardless as there are some major plot points in Laezel's questline that I think you will miss otherwise.

Laezel makes it plainly clear the moment you meet her that she intends to go there. So if you recruit her, you do so knowing she will be upset if you don't go. Railroading would be forcing you to recruit her. Not her leaving if you don't do the one and only thing she joined your party to do.

outside of who you recruit and you dont you ultimately are railroaded down the same outcomes in the end, tho.

[alex010300]

Publicado originalmente por Blood of Kerensky:

Publicado originalmente por Lur Nen Rue:

If you corious

















use the purification for yourself, leazel will insist on using but with good relation she could be talked to stand down and then suceed the saving throw (intelligence), the third saving throw will use the purification device power to empower yours and you get a feat, just like with omiluum

I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what I was able to do after I passed all the checks. 100% worth it and busted

Wat really ???? I got to try that out !

[Keith 'Blood' Hanson]

Publicado originalmente por alex010300:

Publicado originalmente por Blood of Kerensky:

I almost couldn't believe my eyes when I saw what I was able to do after I passed all the checks. 100% worth it and busted

Wat really ???? I got to try that out !

Arg. Really? Is it the same power, or a different one from what you get from Omelumn? ...Eh. Not worth it. I just wiped out the entire Creche, I don't feel like doing it AGAIN to just pick one power up.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Publicado originalmente por Keith 'Blood' Hanson:

Publicado originalmente por alex010300:

Wat really ???? I got to try that out !

Arg. Really? Is it the same power, or a different one from what you get from Omelumn? ...Eh. Not worth it. I just wiped out the entire Creche, I don't feel like doing it AGAIN to just pick one power up.

you can wipe them all out by simply taking the blood of lathandrel and escaping

[kingsims]

The debuff that Laezel gets is brain damage. Even if you kill her, and bring her back there is no undoing that damage the Zaith'isk did to her, even with greater restoiration. The only way to avoid is:

a) Offer to go first and tell her she would be lost without you. Then when get the first saving throw check proceed to choose to leave the Zaithisk, and then choose try harder option. You leave, without any damage.

b) Pass all 3 saving throws of 12, 15, 18 (which are not difficulty thanks to items). Then you get out automatically with a buff and no damage.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Sinclair:

you dont have to kill her if you kill isobel instead

I think the game glitched, because even though I killed her, my Butler still acted as if he was displeased with my actions and told me to kill my lover.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por solaris32:

It literally is your story. You could ignore her and keep going, but there would be consequences, as with any story. I swear there's no pleasing some people. If you hate plot points that move the story along (which is impossible to avoid in any story) then go RP in Minecraft or something.

Again, Lae'zel is my only front liner.

I killed Karlach, because doing so was part of Wyll's quest, and she was a filthy hellspawn. So everybody else in the party except for me and Astarion were casters.

Astarion was a Thief, and I was an Open Hand Monk. We could fight, but we weren't as durable as Lae'zel in close quarters.

[Dr. Sinclair]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por Dr. Sinclair:

you dont have to kill her if you kill isobel instead

I think the game glitched, because even though I killed her, my Butler still acted as if he was displeased with my actions and told me to kill my lover.

i assume you didnt kill her but let her be kidnapped by attacking her first, you can killer her at the end of act 2 afterward and still get your reward

[Poop King]

I made the error of sticking laezell in the thing as well. and didn't notice the stat damage until too long asfter.

So I respecced her dex to 8, pumped up the damaged stats, and let her wear gauntlets of dexterity meh.

[AltPlusF4]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Again, Lae'zel is my only front liner.

I killed Karlach, because doing so was part of Wyll's quest, and she was a filthy hellspawn. So everybody else in the party except for me and Astarion were casters.

Astarion was a Thief, and I was an Open Hand Monk. We could fight, but we weren't as durable as Lae'zel in close quarters.

Because you seem to be unaware of this, you can respec your party members to whatever class/stats you want. You wanna make Gale your fighter to replace the one that you tossed in the trash? You totally can. And it totally works.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por kingsims:

The debuff that Laezel gets is brain damage. Even if you kill her, and bring her back there is no undoing that damage the Zaith'isk did to her, even with greater restoiration. The only way to avoid is:

a) Offer to go first and tell her she would be lost without you. Then when get the first saving throw check proceed to choose to leave the Zaithisk, and then choose try harder option. You leave, without any damage.

b) Pass all 3 saving throws of 12, 15, 18 (which are not difficulty thanks to items). Then you get out automatically with a buff and no damage.

Magical healing completely nullifies any sort of long term, crippling injuries.

Greater Restoration is supposed to be powerful enough to repair crippled limbs, as made evident with its ability to repair Ability Score damage. And as long as the body remains mostly intact, resurrection magic can heal any damaged tissue.

Fixing her brain should have been a fairly simple procedure, instead of the permanent debuff it turned out to be.