The Wyll Remix.

[Wes]

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Adam : "We've redone Wyll,, pretty much every line of dialogue has been rewritten. We changed his story a lot, we realized with Wyll that he had this incredibly compelling story. We weren't telling it as well as we could have done. So we did it again, because that's what we do. He goes in different directions much earlier in the game, --- so Wyll is a very complicated man."

Swen : "He's got a really complicated story, in terms of development. For the players it's very obvious, & the results of his choices are insane."

Adam : "He has a preexisting relationship with one of our origin characters & with the city of Baldur's Gate. He wants to kill Karlach at the beginning of the game,, so we made two origin characters. Where one is trying to kill the other one, so if you follow Wyll's original quest...he'll cut Karlach's head off.

It's very sad... but he can also not do that, & go down a very different route. He has his reasons for what he's doing, & Karlach has her reasons for wanting to survive. They could become very good friends."

Swen : "I can just imagine..."

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For those that want to listen to the entire thing about Wyll,, you can easily hear it on > here < if you want? Now with that being said everyone,, I have a confession to make! The truth is the picture I posted might not be the new Wyll, & could be another version of Tav??

This does make me wonder though,, IF they're changing his appearance too? What are your thoughts on everything, & do you think he should 'reincarnate' completely? As in being inside another body, & possibly having another personality.

I'm just happy how all of my harassing suggesting towards Kevin Vanord finally paid off. (I'd like to think that my letters brought him to this point, but pretty sure he never even got them lol.)

Well here's some of my past suggestions about Wyll,, if you're out there Kevin. https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3764482829417141627

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by Indure:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Okay, what the hell is everybody's deal with Hexblades, and why does everyone think they're the only viable option for a melee warlock?

You guys know the Pact of the Blade is not restricted to Hexblades exclusively, right?

The Fiend patron's ability to regain HP every time it kills something, or the Great Old One patron's ability to frighten nearby enemies after scoring a critical hit both sound like viable options for melee. Even more so if you take Thirsting Blade which gives you a second attack with your pact blade, and Lifedrinker which gives it bonus necrotic damage.

Larian said they reworked Pact of the Blade, greatly expanding on what is gives. They made it sound like the reason hexblade was not needed in the game.

Yeah Pact of the Blade is essentially homebrew hybrid of Hexblade. Not sure how I feel about ti yet...but hey at least we sorta get hexblade without mods.

[cl656]

Originally posted by Tempest:

And it's really going to rustle my jimmies if we have to pick between him and Karlach.

There will probably be a speech check of some kind. But it would impress me if they did make you choose. I like it when an RPG just hands you choices that are only grey. It grabs the players attention and makes them care, instead of defaulting to the obvious light side option.

[Tempest]

Originally posted by cl656:

Originally posted by Tempest:

And it's really going to rustle my jimmies if we have to pick between him and Karlach.

There will probably be a speech check of some kind. But it would impress me if they did make you choose. I like it when an RPG just hands you choices that are only grey. It makes the players attention and makes them care, instead of defaulting to the obvious light side option.

I get it, and don’t disagree with the general concept. I just want them both in my party so I can observe their ideological conflict as it progresses throughout the game. Larian has said they are enemies. They’ve also positioned Karlach as generally “good”. I interpret EA Wyll as generally “good”. It just feels like the opportunity to observe two objectively good people in ideological conflict is rare in fantasy fiction. Usually the trope is that good wins because they band together when evil cannot, or good characters who are intractable in their opposing beliefs end up having one of them be wrong and dying for it right away.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Indure:

Larian said they reworked Pact of the Blade, greatly expanding on what is gives. They made it sound like the reason hexblade was not needed in the game.

Personally, I never liked the idea of Hexblade as a patron to begin with. A lot of people like to flavor the Pact of the Blade as you actually wielding your patron into battle, and that brings up some awkward questions about what happens if your weapon ever gets stolen or destroyed.

[K. Constantine]

Originally posted by .Master Jiren, The Strongest:

So yeah. Wyll needs a rework on multiple levels. I mean they put him front and center, basically force him into your party. And make him Warlock which is one of the best classes in the game, and he STILL isnt as beloved as half the other cast members. So yeah, he has all the pieces, they just need a shinier coat.

That ain't it, chief. We all know the reason no one cares about Wyll.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by K. Constantine:

That ain't it, chief. We all know the reason no one cares about Wyll.

Traditionally, the black dude always dies first in horror stories. So why even bother getting attached in the first place?

[Mišmil]

Its like he's this generation Kaidan from Mass Effect, nobody liked that dude but i liked him, he was boring, yes, but i liked that next to all the Salarians, Quarians, Turians i end up meeting and talking to. Nobody also liked Jacob from ME2 as his entire personality was "stuffy soldier guy"...

[K. Constantine]

He doesn't look stereotypical enough to be cool.
I'll probably play as him since I like me warlocks and I wonder if he can somehow romance Karlach, but he's the weakest visual design of the origin characters, even accounting for Shadowheart's goofy yee yee ass haircut.

[Mišmil]

Originally posted by K. Constantine:

He doesn't look stereotypical enough to be cool.

It is disappointing for me how shallow gamers get when it comes to companions though. They have to be pretty, they have to be buff, they have to be quirky, they can't be dull, can't be boring, and you kind of get that this whole thing is really just some kind of high-school dressup for a bunch of losers that want to hang out with the "cool kids", not some grand adventure at all.

There will be companions that will be left at base and never touched, or just the damage hitters will go in the roster and then it's just fantasy tourism with pretty girls and "bros".

[K. Constantine]

Originally posted by Mišmil:

Originally posted by K. Constantine:

He doesn't look stereotypical enough to be cool.

It is disappointing for me how shallow gamers get when it comes to companions though. They have to be pretty, they have to be buff, they have to be quirky, they can't be dull, can't be boring, and you kind of get that this whole thing is really just some kind of high-school dressup for a bunch of losers that want to hang out with the "cool kids", not some grand adventure at all.

There will be companions that will be left at base and never touched, or just the damage hitters will go in the roster and then it's just fantasy tourism with pretty girls and "bros".

It's quite natural for people to gravitate more toward idealized characters. Fictional, fantastical escapism is not well-served by dull, realistic characters. The more fantastical the setting, the more idealized the characters need to be.
EDIT: Of course, you need a straight-man type character as well to balance it, but don't expect people to be interested in that character as a companion if they have nothing interesting to say or look out of place in their party.

You shouldn't complain about people wanting "fantasy tourism" in what is ostensibly a fantasy vacation people want to take. Plenty of English majors are too far up their own asses to just write something fun and enjoyable.

[Wes]

Originally posted by Logan Paul fanboy:

Is Kevin the person that rewrote Wyll, or did someone else rewrote him?

Wouldn't surprise me if all the writers, including Swen contributed in rewriting Wyll. (Especially if they only had a couple months before BG3's release, which would help Kevin cause I think he wasn't feeling well back than.)

Originally posted by Logan Paul fanboy:

No offense to the guy, but game journalists are not known for their writing.

Don't know if this makes Kevin look worse in your eyes,, but he was the writer of the Red Prince.

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

I think they said killing Karlach was part of Wyll's quest and that if you followed it, he would simply cut her head off for the paladins.

Actually remember how I said a few comments back that Wyll is hunting Karlach for the devil lady? Well that seems to definitely be the case now,, because of this new video by gamespot.

Below you'll see the dialogue that was shown from it, or you can just click > here < to watch it on youtube.

Tav : "What's that supposed to mean? Lay it out plainly, Wyll." "Someone set you on Karlach's tail, I'd like to know who."

Wyll : "I can say only this,, Karlach's not the only one who's had a villain's knife held to their throats." "One night soon when we make camp, the veil will be lifted & I'll pay my penance."

By the way Larian made a typo on one of the dialogue choices towards Wyll,, but lets see if any of you spot 'it' on the video.

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

I like the sound of the changes they made for Wyll and Gale; they sound like they've made the two of them into much darker companions than they were before.

Nothing to me sounded like Wyll was getting darker, so I don't know what Larian said to make you feel that way? Even after they said he was hunting Karlach,, it never made me think "Oh Wyll is such a bad boy now."

For me I was like, "He must have good reason, & genuinely sees her as the villain instead." Little did we know it was actually the devil lady pulling his strings,, even from afar?

My theory is that Karlach's death would somehow increase the devil lady's health & power? Yet why would she care about Karlach right now,, when her only priority should be about getting rescued by Wyll?

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

the companions we get in EA were supposed to be the evil ones, so Wyll and Gale's personality didn't seem to fit that profile. Now they do, and it's much easier to understand why they were included

Swen never said it was only the evil companions during early access,, & has publicly stated that "we’ve only put the evil & the neutral ones out there. We haven’t put any of the good characters in yet."

[Wes]

Originally posted by seandeven:

Glad for the Wyll glow-up.

Wyll has the glow,, just like Bruce Leroy. ✨😎

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gDqZxpDZBU

Originally posted by seandeven:

(I think your correspondence might have helped)

^ What did you mean by this, & was that towards me?

Originally posted by seandeven:

It'll be interesting where his devil may care story leads.

It will lead to the devil lady's heart being purified. 💖

Originally posted by Quintosential:

I felt nothing from him which is odd. Hanging out with him was like hanging out with a 10 year old younger brother who seems to play make believe that he is some hero?

If anyone is a child-like hero,, then that award goes to Minsc.

That's why it will be awkward as hell if he's a romance option,, unlike Wyll who I doubt will make the ladies feel like they're hanging out with a 10 year old lol.

Originally posted by Quintosential:

I thought he would have that tall dark handsome rugged personality... but then he opens his mouth and sounds like some uppity British man?

You must have been so disappointed when first hearing Mike Tyson than.

As for me the voice of Wyll didn't bother me, yet maybe it would have if I didn't get used to those type of voices before BG3 ever existed.

Don't worry though,, they actually recast a new voice actor for him & Karlach. (So both of them might sound better to all of your ears hopefully.)

[DeportedFetus]

Wyll never bothered me in my play throughs. Took him a long and slapped him around when he spoke out.

[King of Scrubz]

I really like the old voice better. I mean A LOT better. They just gave me reason to make him my first origin character since he will be silent for most of the game.

[Wes]

^ Yup,, both Wyll & Karlach have different voice actors now. 🙀

Originally posted by Tempest:

it's really going to rustle my jimmies if we have to pick between him and Karlach.

A choice like that during BG3's finale would be interesting to me, & could imagine a situation similar to Dragon Age Inquisition.

It can be like that time when some people had to pick between Loghain & Hawke.

Originally posted by Tempest:

I just want them both in my party so I can observe their ideological conflict as it progresses throughout the game. Larian has said they are enemies.

Keep in mind how Adam said, "they could become very good friends?" So there might not be much conflict at all,, & just a progression of positive banter that wouldn't have existed if Wyll just followed through with his original quest.

We could both be overthinking everything,, especially after seeing Wyll become apologetic towards Tav for his actions towards Karlach? Unless she holds a grudge still, or he's only pretending to be remorseful.

Originally posted by DeportedFetus:

Took him along and slapped him around when he spoke out.

https://youtu.be/B25zjAlMqtI