calories feel off

[Voyuer]

just curious if anyone else feels like the calories on most foods feels really low? i've gotten into taking the nutritionist trait on my most recent runs and it just seems like a lot of food really aren't as calorie dense as they should be. either that or the "fullness" you get off each piece of food is too much? like you cook a roast using a porkchop and a few eggs and its only like 1000 calories but you can't finish the thing in one go if you're being economical.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

"It's because the nutritional value of food beyond calories has an effect." Like adding fat to those calories.

Have a good one.

Once again.

The only stat that matters for gaining weight in PZ is calories. Fat and Carbs do not matter until you are over the calorie threshold. Once past that threshold, you can gain weight faster by eating fats and carbs.

Edit: This video is a bit more up to date than Retanaru's, I kinda miss when it was easy to keep weight up...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVdGPo73R_8

[J128MM]

I'm suggesting adding fats to gain weight. You're saying that's misinformation.

It's not misinformation.

Any time I need to gain weight, I add fattening ingredients to my foods, or consume more fats in general. Works like a charm. I'll slowly lose weight. Any time I need a boost I add more fats. And it works again. Been doing it that way for years. Never failed me once.

[Quineloe]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Armagenesis:

You can add as many condiments you want to any of those cooking. Butter and oil are the main source of calories for those recipes as well.

If you really want to maintain your weight while remaining active every day, dump meat product to a cooking pot and add those condiment. Chug the whole pot whenever you start feeling hungry. And you'll maintain your weight just fine.

it's just so incredibly tiresome to click a cooking thing together with 30 clicks. Add chicken. Add Pork. Add butter. Add margerine. add mayo. Add olive oil. add vegetable oil
click click click click click click click click click click click click click click

and that's still BARELY enough. It's insane. And on the other hand, some guy eats fish without any sauces and flavoring and maxes out his calories counter "why am I getting overweight!?" because those calorie values are also way off.

It's a bad system right now, with bad examples going both ways. I've had enough. I just turned nutrition off. The system right now is just not worth it.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

I'm suggesting adding fats to gain weight. You're saying that's misinformation.

It's not misinformation.

Any time I need to gain weight, I add fattening ingredients to my foods, or consume more fats in general. Works like a charm. I'll slowly lose weight. Any time I need a boost I add more fats. And it works again. Been doing it that way for years. Never failed me once.

OP's problem is with calories, it has nothing to do with carbs and fats.

The problem is a lot of foods don't have enough calories.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Quineloe:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Armagenesis:

You can add as many condiments you want to any of those cooking. Butter and oil are the main source of calories for those recipes as well.

If you really want to maintain your weight while remaining active every day, dump meat product to a cooking pot and add those condiment. Chug the whole pot whenever you start feeling hungry. And you'll maintain your weight just fine.

it's just so incredibly tiresome to click a cooking thing together with 30 clicks. Add chicken. Add Pork. Add butter. Add margerine. add mayo. Add olive oil. add vegetable oil
click click click click click click click click click click click click click click

I just turned nutrition off. The system right now is just not worth it.

It would be nice to have a bit more automation to it. Maybe someone could make an auto spices mod or something that just adds one of every spice available to the recipe?

[J128MM]

So, the foods don't have enough calories? I suggesting how one can add more calories, by adding fats, which also help boost weight gain.

Take 6 ingredients. Make 10 identical stews. Add butter for 5. Eat the five stews that don't have butter. Your weight will hardly budge, and may even go down. Eat the five with butter, your weight will rise. Might be slow, but it will rise. Therefore, adding fats like butter helps. it increases calories and fat content. I know what the headline says, and was also following the conversation, adding my two cents. Something that works for me. Not misinformation. Some of the material you shared agrees with my points.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

So, the foods don't have enough calories? I suggesting how one can add more calories, by adding fats, which also help boost weight gain.

Take 6 ingredients. Make 10 identical stews. Add butter for 5. Eat the five stews that don't have butter. Your weight will hardly budge, and may even go down. Eat the five with butter, your weight will rise. Might be slow, but it will rise. Therefore, adding fats like butter helps. it increases calories and fat content. I know what the headline says, and was also following the conversation, adding my two cents. Something that works for me. Not misinformation. Some of the material you shared agrees with my points.

You are suggesting adding calories when you suggest adding butter.
The fat doesn't matter in that situation.

But fair enough, that would work since butter is one of the more powerful calorie foods right now. The problem is still that other foods have too few calories naturally though.

[J128MM]

I've been gaining weight eating salad nonstop lately, by adding cooked fish and mayo I found. Mayo is also high in fats, as well as some fish species. When i need to lower my weight, I cut out the fats and just eat the salads to satisfy hunger. Works like a charm. I don't pay attention to calories, only the fat content, and somehow never struggle with weight, aside from gaining too much too fast. Since 42 came out, I've noticed people struggling with food and weight, commonly stating it's been hard to keep the pounds on. Yet I'm not having that issue. Quite the opposite.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

I've been gaining weight eating salad nonstop lately, by adding cooked fish and mayo I found. Mayo is also high in fats, as well as some fish species. When i need to lower my weight, I cut out the fats and just eat the salads to satisfy hunger. Works like a charm. I don't pay attention to calories, only the fat content, and somehow never struggle with weight, aside from gaining too much too fast. Since 42 came out, I've noticed people struggling with food and weight, commonly stating it's been hard to keep the pounds on. Yet I'm not having that issue. Quite the opposite.

Fish is another really overpowered calorie food.

The video I linked in my first post shows a great example of it. One fish can have more calories than *multiple cows*. The whole nutrition system is janky as hell right now.

Edit:

Just to be clear, I think other foods should have more calories, not that fish should have less. It's just kinda hard to keep weight upeating regular food unless you are smothering it in butter or lard, or adding fish to it.

Butchering a cow should give hundreds of thousands of calories worth of meat even with low skill, not a couple thousand.

[J128MM]

It's not a coincidence those fish with high calories are also high in fat. I'll add those to something like a salad or stew when I need to gain weight. The rest of the time I'll eat what I have that is low in fat. Some fish are very low in fat. Empty calories, but still calories. Same strategy as I had in previous build. And now there's even more sustainable food options. The last winter I spent in build 41, I nearly starved eating rabbit nonstop. And I knew why. Didn't have any fats. Same thing would happen in real life.

I haven't dabbled enough in butchering so won't say much about it. Butchered several chickens, a couple hogs, and some roadkill deer. Thought I'd get more meat but I did use a hatchet in the middle of nowhere so, was happy with the free meat that fell from the sky and wrecked my car. Game needs a meat grinder to make sausage. Fancy cuts don't usually go far, in life.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

It's not a coincidence those fish with high calories are also high in fat. I'll add those to something like a salad or stew when I need to gain weight. The rest of the time I'll eat what I have that is low in fat. Some fish are very low in fat. Empty calories, but still calories. Same strategy as I had in previous build. And now there's even more sustainable food options. The last winter I spent in build 41, I nearly starved eating rabbit nonstop. And I knew why. Didn't have any fats. Same thing would happen in real life.

.... Okay but in that situation the problem is still the calories not the fats. You wouldn't have been losing weight over the winter if you had enough calories.

[J128MM]

Was eating plenty of calories. They were empty calories. Much like gummy bears.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

Was eating plenty of calories. They were empty calories. Much like gummy bears.

I feel like you might be trolling now...

But to reiterate... The only thing that matters in PZ as far as gaining or losing weight is concerned is calories. Fats and Carbs only affect how quickly you gain weight while calories are high enough to be gaining.

[J128MM]

"fat and carbs only affect how quickly you gain weight"

Pay attention to that line. It's also saying, "Without fats, you can lose weight quickly."

Those rabbits had enough calories but were low in fat compared to something like a fish, so I lost weight.

[Silamon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από J128MM:

"fat and carbs only affect how quickly you gain weight"

Pay attention to that line. It's also saying, "Without fats, you can lose weight quickly."

Those rabbits had enough calories but were low in fat compared to something like a fish, so I lost weight.

I'll just assume you don't understand how it works and move on.