Boots vs sandals running speed :D

[JeQ]

How has sandals run modifier of 0.95 and boots 0.9?
If you have ever ran with military boots they are not anywhere slow or bad run shoes, escpecially at rough terrain they are better than sneakers.

[Siodog]

I did and they weight a lot due to the freacking reinforcement so you get tired much faster than using sandals (proper sandals not damn flip-flops)

[Dr. Death]

Originally posted by Siodog:

I did and they weight a lot due to the freacking reinforcement so you get tired much faster than using sandals (proper sandals not damn flip-flops)

Military boots dont have metal reinforcements, if you think about the steel toe boots.

[sevensided]

The desert boots in particular should be just fine and dandy for running (no speed penalty). Those things are practically sneakers as far as comfort goes.

[JeQ]

We ran cooper test at army with military boots and me (not runner) got 3,000 meters in 12 minutes, which is as fast as me doing it in sneakers. Weight of shoes doesn't affect that much of energy consumption (shoes alone are about 1,5% of body weight, weight difference with military boots and sneakers are under 0,5% of your body weight), it is the way you use momentum of extra weight of shoes.

But one thing they could add is:
if you lot with sandals, you get your feet hurt and might get micro fractures on feet table. Running at rought terrain with any other shoes than boots would give you ankle pain on long run.

Added weight of clothes might make combat more slow, but it should add force behind those punches too. Same with body weight, overweight people should be able to hit harder with some weapons and push knockout should be higher because they have that mass (if they knows how to use it)

And while characters are able to learn things unrealistic fast, i find it weird that same isn't happening with strenght and stamina (70% of strenght and stamina gains comes from learning correct technique to move and breathe.)

[pzhda'tan]

Leather boots, which most boots are made of in this game, even the desert one, are the most uncomfortable piece of clothing ever. They have no holes for air to flow, the insoles are rigid, and each boot weighs around 600 grams so one pair weighs more than a kilo.
I had to wear one of these for two years and I honestly prefer wearing any sneaker over it. But they're durable as heck, will keep you from tripping on slippery surfaces and you'll never have to worry about your ankle.

[BanDHMO]

I treat it as an approximation, since it's impossible to model all the factors, and a .9 multiplier prevents boots from being just strictly better than most other footwear.

The part that could really use more realism in footwear is how it behaves in wet/snow/mud conditions, which is where the differences would really come out. We can debate all we want whether you could run a faster mile in sneakers or army boots, but nobody is going to disagree that you'd much rather tred through a mile of muddy puddles in boots than in sneakers. :)

But, meh, the current system is good enough, and I'm sure the devs have plenty of other things higher on their priority list than footwear realism.

[Dr. Death]

Originally posted by pzhda'tan:

Leather boots, which most boots are made of in this game, even the desert one, are the most uncomfortable piece of clothing ever. They have no holes for air to flow, the insoles are rigid, and each boot weighs around 600 grams so one pair weighs more than a kilo.
I had to wear one of these for two years and I honestly prefer wearing any sneaker over it. But they're durable as heck, will keep you from tripping on slippery surfaces and you'll never have to worry about your ankle.

What kinda boots did you use jesus.

[sevensided]

Originally posted by Dr. Death:

Originally posted by pzhda'tan:

Leather boots, which most boots are made of in this game, even the desert one, are the most uncomfortable piece of clothing ever. They have no holes for air to flow, the insoles are rigid, and each boot weighs around 600 grams so one pair weighs more than a kilo.
I had to wear one of these for two years and I honestly prefer wearing any sneaker over it. But they're durable as heck, will keep you from tripping on slippery surfaces and you'll never have to worry about your ankle.

What kinda boots did you use jesus.

I want to know as well. My desert boots I still have... one of the most comfortable pairs of footwear I own. (My jump boots I keep for nostalgia)

[Willy]

I think its more of a video-game-y balancing, with lighter weight footwear provide better speed and low defense, vs boots with higher defense and no running boost

[sevensided]

Originally posted by EnigmaGrey:

Originally posted by sevensided:

I want to know as well. My desert boots I still have... one of the most comfortable pairs of footwear I own. (My jump boots I keep for nostalgia)

Do they have a steel toe and sole like mine?

I’m not in the military, just bought a pair that Mom’s unit didn’t need (big feet, custom boot, ordered but never claimed due to quiting). Great work boots (15 years old now), but couldn’t imagine running very far in them, personally.

Nah. No steel in them. I got em with the desert BDU's when I first deployed to Afghanistan in 2002.

[Dr. Death]

Originally posted by EnigmaGrey:

Originally posted by sevensided:

I want to know as well. My desert boots I still have... one of the most comfortable pairs of footwear I own. (My jump boots I keep for nostalgia)

Do they have a steel toe and sole like mine?

I’m not in the military, just bought a pair that Mom’s unit didn’t need (big feet, custom boot, ordered but never claimed due to quiting). Great work boots (15 years old now), but couldn’t imagine running very far in them, personally.

in my experience even with a steel toe boot, the boot is fine as long as its flexible where it needs to be.

I later had the disgrace of finding out what happens when the edge of the steel protection pierces through the fabric and starts stabbing you in the foot.

[JeQ]

Yes steel toe boots are more clumsy and are designed more for construction yards, where as military boots are superior against them when endurance and overall comfort is taken into account as they are designed for military ops. Maybe military boots should be more rare in game and have better stats, maybe less kick power without that steel toe. Better running speed at rought terrain for sure.

[Dr. Death]

Originally posted by JeQ:

Yes steel toe boots are more clumsy and are designed more for construction yards, where as military boots are superior against them when endurance and overall comfort is taken into account as they are designed for military ops. Maybe military boots should be more rare in game and have better stats, maybe less kick power without that steel toe. Better running speed at rought terrain for sure.

I think it would make sense to separate construction vs military boots too. Steel toe construction boots should be in the place of road workers instead of the military ones, and could offer better protection for worse stats all around and much worse wear. Maybe you can get military boots from military surplus stores?

[Sir Nils Olav]

Plenty of boots used by military and law enforcement are very comfortable, very light - and still sturdy. My Haix pair are almost equal to a decent pair of trainers. If you personally wore a cr@p boot - that doesn't mean all boots are cr@p....

[JeQ]

Originally posted by Dr. Death:

Originally posted by JeQ:

Yes steel toe boots are more clumsy and are designed more for construction yards, where as military boots are superior against them when endurance and overall comfort is taken into account as they are designed for military ops. Maybe military boots should be more rare in game and have better stats, maybe less kick power without that steel toe. Better running speed at rought terrain for sure.

I think it would make sense to separate construction vs military boots too. Steel toe construction boots should be in the place of road workers instead of the military ones, and could offer better protection for worse stats all around and much worse wear. Maybe you can get military boots from military surplus stores?

Yes you can get them from there but i don't think they are so common. Maybe gun hobbyist houses and military bases. Hunters should have some boots of their own, not sure what they prefer.

And i am not sure if military surplus stores sells other than stripped version of their equipment, not at least in all countries but it might vary. Example USA has rule not to sell their original Abrahams tanks to other countries, they are allways stripped somehow and original armor plating is secret. This might very well be true with other stuff too.