Crafted Spear, Attachment, and Condition

[Armagenesis]

So this was actually my first time adding an attachment to a crafted spear.

And I found out that doing so will reduce the attached weapon's condition down to about 30% of its original condition.
And when I removed the attachment, the spear will also lose its condition and the attachment will also keep its reduced condition.
I've tested and this doesn't seem to be affected by skill whatsoever and isn't affected by mods.

For example if I have perfect condition spear and a perfect condition machete, attaching the machete will cause the overall weapon condition (the crafted spear with machete) to go down to around 30%.
And when I reclaim the machete, it will retain the reduced condition while the spear may or may not lose its condition. And when it does, it lost around 50% condition.

Has this always been a thing? Because this sucks and is completely different to what I understood about crafted spear and the attachments.

[ProtecTron]

I think I've retrieved the spear without having its condition reduced when removing the attachment. I'm testing this tonight and edit if this is not-true.

Until now, I usually get something like this:
Attachment 70% + spear 100% = improved spear at 70% (that's the condition of the attachment, then you retrieve the spear at 30% or higher %).

Nowadays I don't attach anything to spears, they're lighter and cheaper in materials and building time.

[Armagenesis]

Originally posted by ProtecTron:

I think I've retrieved the spear without having its condition reduced when removing the attachment. I'm testing this tonight and edit if this is not-true.

Until now, I usually get something like this:
Attachment 70% + spear 100% = improved spear at 70% (that's the condition of the attachment, then you retrieve the spear at 30% or higher %).

Nowadays I don't attach anything to spears, they're lighter and cheaper in materials and building time.

Yeah, that logic was what I understood as well watching some videos about the spear. But I guess it's changed recently?

I also have never attached anything to the spear before because I didn't want to bring duct tapes around. So I just found this out recently.

[Oᴄᴜʟᴀʀ]

Attachments are useless anyway. But yeah I remember that happening a while ago.

[Another Mother's Son]

Yeah, this is still a little janky. Can you use Wire to attach blades? I never tried that, but IRL it would be way better than tape. I think it's easier just to grind my Carpentry XP and burn through plain spears to level up

[Armagenesis]

Originally posted by Another Mother's Son:

Yeah, this is still a little janky. Can you use Wire to attach blades? I never tried that, but IRL it would be way better than tape. I think it's easier just to grind my Carpentry XP and burn through plain spears to level up

Same. Not only I'm too lazy to bring duct tapes, crafting spears over and over are better to grind carpentry.

I just happened to stocked up a lot of duct tapes and found a lot of survivor houses in my March Ridge playthrough, so I happened to have a lot of spears, machetes, and duct tapes. And found out about this when I tried to attach my machete on the spears.

[Another Mother's Son]

Originally posted by Armagenesis:

Originally posted by Another Mother's Son:

Yeah, this is still a little janky. Can you use Wire to attach blades? I never tried that, but IRL it would be way better than tape. I think it's easier just to grind my Carpentry XP and burn through plain spears to level up

...found out about this when I tried to attach my machete on the spears.

Does weapon degradation scale with attack damage? Like, if your spear attack with the blade is greater than the blade solo, does the blade take more damage? It feels like you get in more short blade attacks before it breaks.

I get confused about what takes damage in what situations. My crowbar loses HP whether I am killing zeds or beating down garage doors, but I can wear a ball peen hammer down to 1 HP and still go do carpentry all day with it.

[Animalman]

Hammer won’t break during carpentry like in real life you have a hammer for life. But if you use the hammer in a way that it’s not intended to be used for exampnkil zom then it degrades it. It draw attention to the hammer being a tool to conserve and a bad last resort weapon that is why you want the club hammer or wooden.

[Another Mother's Son]

Originally posted by Animalman:

Hammer won’t break during carpentry like in real life you have a hammer for life. But if you use the hammer in a way that it’s not intended to be used for exampnkil zom then it degrades it. It draw attention to the hammer being a tool to conserve and a bad last resort weapon that is why you want the club hammer or wooden.

Funny, I do have a 100+ year-old hammer i use regularly IRL. This run I have found a Hammer and Saw in almost every closet and garage in Riverside. I could have killed 1000 zombies and still had tools for carpentry. I wish you could use the Saw, once you have a zed on the ground, like in Return of the Living Dead !

[Animalman]

Ground weapons would be pretty good. Should be a desensitised tier of weapons. It would be required consideration of the use of the saw. Make them pay for it. Make desensitised a full trait for a hefty price. But it opens up a small weapon roster can help early in addition to distinguish character. Could use some of the currently locked away weapons like the turkey fork.

[Armagenesis]

Originally posted by Another Mother's Son:

Originally posted by Armagenesis:

...found out about this when I tried to attach my machete on the spears.

Does weapon degradation scale with attack damage? Like, if your spear attack with the blade is greater than the blade solo, does the blade take more damage? It feels like you get in more short blade attacks before it breaks.

I get confused about what takes damage in what situations. My crowbar loses HP whether I am killing zeds or beating down garage doors, but I can wear a ball peen hammer down to 1 HP and still go do carpentry all day with it.

Well, there are several things here.
There's something called Weapon Condition, Condition Lower Chance, and Base Durability on each weapon.
Machete and Spear with Machete have their own stats. With Machete having more durability but less power compared to when it's attached to a spear.

And IRL logic aside, attacking objects will lower any weapon's condition. Or has a chance to, at least.

[Drosta]

Resurrecting this thread because I was watching something last night and it sounded like this is still a thing. Is this intended gameplay or a bug that's just never been dealt with? Like, I understand the idea behind it if it's intended but shouldn't it be more down to the degradation of the attaching medium (duct tape or whatever) and not the condition of the individual parts? Realistically I could see an argument to be made that you're still affecting the blade every time you stab something with it. Even though that's also kind of a stretch to accept at face value. I have a high quality bush knife irl that's designed and intended to be attached to a spear and there's no way it's gonna break after 5 or 6 uses. But gameplay wise I understand it. It really shouldn't affect the spear though and ought to be a way to prolong the life of a spear so you can get away with not having to carry so many with you by instead carrying duct tape and knives which should be less encumbering and I think that's a perfectly reasonable trade off as both require the expenditure of a finite resource.

[Liro Raériyo]

weather its intentional or a bug doesnt really matter at this point, B42 is going to overhaul so many things including weapons themselves, seems that weapons are going to have individual parts with their own condition values so any strangeness with spears is likely going to be dealt with when it drops anyway.

[pzhda'tan]

Sorry for barging in but I hope this helps.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2920288546