Red Border Drop Rates - are the rates keeping us away from the game?

[Goril]

We're spending considerable amount of time to find a fire team, then a considerable amount of time to complete dungeons, raids etc.
Person like me who wants to experiment crafting and crafted weapon play, may give up doing this because of the drop rates.
That's what happened to me now. After all that effort 1 red border is not enough. Even someone got lucky and gets 5/5 in 5 consecutive activities,
even able to craft it, that person gets frustrated and tired to play with weapon she/he has crafted.

Even world drop guns may be nice to experiment if we can find red borders of them
For example Maahes HC.

(Also I think monthly, weekly keep getting directed to a META may be a downer.
The Chase may be tiresome. Not hooks but pushes)

[DonThaIll]

Red border drops rates are abysmal. In typical Bungo fashion, play time is extended through frustrating game mechanics. Until more people start respecting their own time, these practices with game content will continue.

[Mez Koo]

Only weapons that can be crafted can drop red borders and this includes specific sources of weapons mostly being new destination weapons (throne world, neomuna, pale heart), most raids (not garden or vault of glass though), and *new* seasonal weapons. Most world drops do not have craftable options and no red border possibility and most re-issued old weapons such as the returning saint-14 weapons do not have a crafting option.

As for dungeons there are only two weapons in all of the dungeons that have red borders, the two year 2 weapons Epicurean and Fixed Odds that were re-issued through Duality. You're wasting your time if you think you can unlock crafting options for dungeon weapons.

There are usually sure ways to get deepsight weapons and although they may be locked to once a week they offer a sure way of finally getting what you want whether its through the bonus deepsight chest in raids or vendor upgrades that let you focus specific weapons and raids also give a deepsight drop on the first weapon bought that week through the "vendor" at the end. Otherwise for the more rare weapons that can't be focused you have deepsight harmonizers as an option.

Some destination weapons are also only available through specific activities or quests so you may be looking in the wrong place such as the wellspring weapons in the throne world, terminal override on neomuna, or lost in the dark quest in the pale heart.

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

For example since Echoes season began. No matter how few 50 wave onslaught have completed till the end. Only got so far two for deepsighted Veiled Threat. And if you would like to endorse a suggestion of mine about putting another use for exotic ciphers then read this thread.

Instead of playing hard and repeatable long activities. Only have played once 50 wave onslaught on expert difficult and have won using fireteam finder with no meta combo setup and yet no deepsighted weapon. However regular 50 wave onslaught became more assurable to get deepsight harmonizer weapons which were 3 of these new Vex themed weapons like sidearms, rocket launcher.

[Eriana]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

For example since Echoes season began. No matter how few 50 wave onslaught have completed till the end. Only got so far two for deepsighted Veiled Threat. And if you would like to endorse a suggestion of mine about putting another use for exotic ciphers then read this thread.

Instead of playing hard and repeatable long activities. Only have played once 50 wave onslaught on expert difficult and have won using fireteam finder with no meta combo setup and yet no deepsighted weapon. However regular 50 wave onslaught became more assurable to get deepsight harmonizer weapons which were 3 of these new Vex themed weapons like sidearms, rocket launcher.

You could just do the easy and fairly short seasonal activities for the weapons that have a guaranteed chance of dropping them and a very high chance for them to be red border.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

For example since Echoes season began. No matter how few 50 wave onslaught have completed till the end. Only got so far two for deepsighted Veiled Threat. And if you would like to endorse a suggestion of mine about putting another use for exotic ciphers then read this thread.

Veiled Threat is an Echoes seasonal weapon that can be easily focused from Echoes content and you could unlock the crafted version within a week. The fact that you're even getting them from Onslaught is kind of a miracle but that being said you can probably just as likely get them to drop from strikes/crucible/gambit although again being a seasonal weapon that's not the intended source.

[redk]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

For example since Echoes season began. No matter how few 50 wave onslaught have completed till the end. Only got so far two for deepsighted Veiled Threat. And if you would like to endorse a suggestion of mine about putting another use for exotic ciphers then read this thread.

Instead of playing hard and repeatable long activities. Only have played once 50 wave onslaught on expert difficult and have won using fireteam finder with no meta combo setup and yet no deepsighted weapon. However regular 50 wave onslaught became more assurable to get deepsight harmonizer weapons which were 3 of these new Vex themed weapons like sidearms, rocket launcher.

Why are you farming seasonal weapons in Onslaught when the Seasonal battlegrounds and Breach Executable exist ? Echoes Engrams ?

I had all seasonal weapon red borders crafted before we even got weapon focusing.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

Only have played once 50 wave onslaught on expert difficult and have won using fireteam finder with no meta combo setup and yet no deepsighted weapon.

As I explained in my first comment deepsights usually come from specific sources and Onslaught is not one of those sources and the weapons that drop specifically from Onslaught do not have craftable options. My guess is that Veiled Threat is dropping as a seasonal drop from ritual activities as seasonal gear always has but if that's happening then why not just play the seasonal content that drops the seasonal weapons with deepsights?

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

I don't pay for seasonal access so the alternative methods is Onslaught.

[Megumin's Husband]

red border weapon drops arent that bad imo

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

I don't pay for seasonal access so the alternative methods is Onslaught.

Act I Weapon Scrounger III - Grants a chance to receive additional Veiled Threat and Sightline Survey drops from ritual activities.

That is a paid seasonal rank reward for rank 81 and Veiled Threat is the vex themed stasis auto rifle for Echoes so either you bought Final Shape and didn't realize it came with the episode/season or something weird is going on.

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

I don't pay for seasonal access so the alternative methods is Onslaught.

Act I Weapon Scrounger III - Grants a chance to receive additional Veiled Threat and Sightline Survey drops from ritual activities.

That is a paid seasonal rank reward for rank 81 and Veiled Threat is the vex themed stasis auto rifle for Echoes so either you bought Final Shape and didn't realize it came with the episode/season or something weird is going on.

Purchased Lightfall a month back wouldthat count? I've played the first steps on Echoes episode and got awarded with the deepsighted auto rifle then playing Onslaught 50 wave rewarded me the scout, sidearm and rocket launcher with deepsight harmonizer as well. So I'm going to choose play that to get a possible chance for deepsight Vex themed weapons.

[redk]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

I don't pay for seasonal access so the alternative methods is Onslaught.

Why would you expect getting weapons you didn't pay for ?

If you want seasonal gear, you gotta pay the season pass.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

I've played the first steps on Echoes episode and got awarded with the deepsighted auto rifle then playing Onslaught 50 wave rewarded me the scout, sidearm and rocket launcher with deepsight harmonizer as well.

You don't just "get" deepsights like that and those are all seasonal weapons that shouldn't be dropping unless you grabbed them from the free track on the season ranks.

[NIkto Barada]

nvm , not all crafted weapons have all perks available anyway, not even the ones they spawned from sometimes. just do whatever if you aint got money- nothing makes sense endgame wise for f2pers or so ive been told.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by NIkto Barada:

nvm , not all crafted weapons have all perks available anyway,

They usually have the same options as any currently available version of the weapon.

Originally posted by NIkto Barada:

not even the ones they spawned from sometimes.

Yeah sometimes bungie changes a weapon up when it gets a new/crafted version for example Dead Man's Tale used to originally have subsistence as a perk option but they changed the perks when it was re-released as a craftable weapon.