Pale Chest Macro AFK Farming

[Zeed]

Has Bungie giving an official statement on whether they're gonna allow us to keep doing this or if its gonna get patched/be bannable?

[Ex]

As always in every game, no it's not allowed.

Will they catch you or give a ♥♥♥♥? Depends how you use it and it depends on how common it is/does it ruin the experience for other players/does the company care.

Generally most little lazy pve things like this won't? But I'm not sure about the exact macro, if it hooks into the game its a lot sketchier. If its just some decently done macro it's not as sketchy.

In the majority of cases for pve games, likely nothing. Bungie had no anticheat forever.

Very unlikely but the small risk is your entire account goes poof so is it worth it?

[Kylito]

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Postat inițial de Mez Koo:

Actual afk farms where you're not actively doing anything are a grey area subject to the developers due to you not botting and the character is just sitting there as the game allows for example when we could afk farm the black armory forges but even with that example you should have dropped your power level to match with other people going afk and not actively ruining the game for other players actually trying to do the forges.

How is AFKing and botting a grey area ?

I don't know any live service game that tolerates it as it ruins the game experience for actual players.

AFK xp farms are usually just holding down your trigger with Trinity Ghoul and tapping movement keys every 5 seconds. They don't really care if you automate a couple key imputs, but an advanced Macro like OP was talking about might pass that grey area.

[Dr. Duck_]

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I'll spoil the ending for you since you clearly didn't see it, while the guy was making the video a GM actually did pop up to investigate up the 29 accounts that were afk farming and did nothing about them and the graph at the end shows that while making the video and observing afk spots they spotted the same accounts in the same spots for over a month.

They can say "we don't tolerate it" as much as they want but the lack of any actual action is louder.

He also states at 15:48 that some accounts regularly observed afk farming have received suspensions. So there certainly is some action being taken.

Not here to argue about GW2 in the Destiny 2 forums, just saying that your statement of "Anet tolerates afk farming" in the context of this discussion seems inaccurate even when looking at the material that YOU provided.

All that video does for the discussion of "can macroing/botting get me banned in Destiny 2?" is let us know that other games see people get banned SOMETIMES for macroing/botting.

[Mez Koo]

Postat inițial de Dr. Duck_:

He also states at 15:48 that some accounts regularly observed afk farming have received suspensions. So there certainly is some action being taken.

Not here to argue about GW2 in the Destiny 2 forums, just saying that your statement of "Anet tolerates afk farming" in the context of this discussion seems inaccurate even when looking at the material that YOU provided.

*Some*

If they really cared then all those accounts would have been banned on the spot but the fact the first minute of that video shows that there is no fear of punishment and that hundreds of accounts and doing it for a month let alone even a week tells you that they really don't care mostly.

I'm also not here to argue about Guild Wars 2, someone else asked and I have an answer and you argued with me about it but the end of discussion is that no botting or "advanced macros" are not allowed in any form in Destiny 2 as you linked in the first comment.

[Jesse]

Postat inițial de Mez Koo:

*Some*

If they really cared then all those accounts would have been banned on the spot but the fact the first minute of that video shows that there is no fear of punishment and that hundreds of accounts and doing it for a month let alone even a week tells you that they really don't care mostly.

I'm also not here to argue about Guild Wars 2, someone else asked and I have an answer and you argued with me about it but the end of discussion is that no botting or "advanced macros" are not allowed in any form in Destiny 2 as you linked in the first comment.

It is not a good idea to ban accounts for bot activity individually, because that allows the bot programmers to implement changes that make it harder to detect. Ban waves have existed as long as live service games have.

[Mez Koo]

Postat inițial de Jesse:

It is not a good idea to ban accounts for bot activity individually, because that allows the bot programmers to implement changes that make it harder to detect. Ban waves have existed as long as live service games have.

Did you not follow the context? The specific context was at 16 minutes into the video when a GM showed up to an afk farm spot with a mass of afk players and did nothing and what is there to detect? There is a mass of players in the same spot every day for years and everyone knows about it and for others they usually get investigated after being reported by other players.

[Jesse]

Postat inițial de Mez Koo:

Postat inițial de Jesse:

It is not a good idea to ban accounts for bot activity individually, because that allows the bot programmers to implement changes that make it harder to detect. Ban waves have existed as long as live service games have.

Did you not follow the context? The specific context was at 16 minutes into the video when a GM showed up to an afk farm spot with a mass of afk players and did nothing and what is there to detect? There is a mass of players in the same spot every day for years and everyone knows about it and for others they usually get investigated after being reported by other players.

If a GM shows up, it's irrelevant. Likely just checking things out. They used to do similar in WoW, long ago when they had way more GMs. Now it's just backend data tracking and monitoring. And in a F2P MMO like GW2, the botting problem will be never-ending. No barrier to entry means they just make a new farmer account to bot. In a paywalled MMO like WoW (F2P access only goes to level 20, monthly sub, expansion paywall), the barrier to entry prevents a lot of botting. In addition, ArenaNet likely does not have the manpower to keep up with that side of things, tbh.

[NationX]

Reading their TOS for Abuse of External Accessibility Tools https://help.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049517431-Destiny-Account-Restrictions-and-Banning-Policies

The only area I can see it falling under is "Advanced Macros". I know players who farm the Golgoroth Maze for xp for seasonal ranks/artifact ranks and have thousands of hours doing it and never been banned. One is a massive D2 streamer (got 1000+ seasonal rank) albeit that is a simple macro of spamming greandes.

Do this one at your own risk, I imagine many are doing it including myself. So we will see. They do state it would be escalating actions so probably would be a warning, restriction and then a ban if you carried on after all of that.

[redk]

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Postat inițial de Dr. Duck_:

In what way does this show anet "tolerates" botting.

I'll spoil the ending for you since you clearly didn't see it, while the guy was making the video a GM actually did pop up to investigate up the 29 accounts that were afk farming and did nothing about them and the graph at the end shows that while making the video and observing afk spots they spotted the same accounts in the same spots for over a month.

They can say "we don't tolerate it" as much as they want but the lack of any actual action is louder.

Devs have to be careful that they can actually prove botting. WoW players have been caught "botting" when all they were doing were following an farming addon that added a route to the minimap with node icons, which even if done manually can strangely look like botting.

But there is no grey area. Botting and AFKing is not something any live service tolerates. There is just a lack of man power to enforce it without a few slipping through the cracks.