PvP is garbage with the new special weapon system. Do not play in 2024.

[The_Penance]

Title says it all. PvP is still bad. In fact worse than before. To me this new special ammo change is as bad as sunsetting.

Edit: This is my take on PvP from my comments below. I don't expect people to actually believe me but after not playing for 3 years, getting my light level up and jumping into trials and getting all 3 characters flawless in a matter of hours this is my take on PvP:

'Pvp is so one sided its not even funny. It now plays more like a moba where you get a lead and you just sit on it and there is no more engagement. You now control the kills, control the tempo, and you control the special ammo just because you took a lead early.

there is no counter play. There is no outplaying. Its sit as a group and then team shot. Sitting in wells and sitting in bubbles and there is nothing you can do.

I was excited to somewhat come back to this game but yeah no if you are any good at PvP it will be incredibly boring. 6v6 is a cluster with groups doing just what i said they would do. I just went flawless as a group of 3 after taking 3 days to get my light level up and not having played for almost 3 years. We got a huge early lead and just watched them struggle to beat the time limit. There is no counter play and while we have special ammo they get none because they can't control the map or get kills.

If thats your idea of fun then yeah more power too you. Its incredibly uninteractive and boring.'

[Infinite]

imo pvp is better than it has been for a long time considering you cant just respawn with 2 shotty shots and main your special

[The_Penance]

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imo pvp is better than it has been for a long time considering you cant just respawn with 2 shotty shots and main your special

The fact that you can't refill your special without kills means it has turned into a turtle fest. The moment you get a lead, especially in comp, you just hold your lead and prevent the enemy team from getting special ammo. Then you hoard it and it becomes a very boring one sided beat down.

Its not fun and perhaps the most non-enaging sandbox i've ever seen. If its not team shooting its camping and preventing you from doing anything. If we got special at the start of new rounds maybe this wouldn't be so bad or if we didn't need a bunch of kills to get more special maybe. But as it stands it is VERY one sided and promotes camping.

[DCR]

Първоначално публикувано от The_Penance:

Първоначално публикувано от Infinite:

imo pvp is better than it has been for a long time considering you cant just respawn with 2 shotty shots and main your special

The fact that you can't refill your special without kills means it has turned into a turtle fest. The moment you get a lead, especially in comp, you just hold your lead and prevent the enemy team from getting special ammo. Then you hoard it and it becomes a very boring one sided beat down.

Its not fun and perhaps the most non-enaging sandbox i've ever seen. If its not team shooting its camping and preventing you from doing anything. If we got special at the start of new rounds maybe this wouldn't be so bad or if we didn't need a bunch of kills to get more special maybe. But as it stands it is VERY one sided and promotes camping.

That's funny tho because CS is practically just camping, you should feel right at home then.

[The_Penance]

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Първоначално публикувано от The_Penance:

The fact that you can't refill your special without kills means it has turned into a turtle fest. The moment you get a lead, especially in comp, you just hold your lead and prevent the enemy team from getting special ammo. Then you hoard it and it becomes a very boring one sided beat down.

Its not fun and perhaps the most non-enaging sandbox i've ever seen. If its not team shooting its camping and preventing you from doing anything. If we got special at the start of new rounds maybe this wouldn't be so bad or if we didn't need a bunch of kills to get more special maybe. But as it stands it is VERY one sided and promotes camping.

That's funny tho because CS is practically just camping, you should feel right at home then.

again disagree. but we dont all have to agree.

[DCR]

it's a casual looter shooter. There is not a single competitive element in the entire game, but some weird people like to believe it is. Morons that is. Game goes does it part to put forth that you have achieved "triumps" are meaningful to other players as a skill. Couldn't be further from the reality. Winning tournaments and getting money for it, that's cool, playing a looter shooter and complaining about that the game is casual, i mean hello. Wakey wakey.. If special ammo slot is a problem, just equip a good pulse or something.

Първоначално публикувано от Infinite:

imo pvp is better than it has been for a long time considering you cant just respawn with 2 shotty shots and main your special

And Infinite here has a very simple and 100% valid point. It's a good change. Respawning with basically super ability as in guaranteed kill ability on spawn well that is insanely casual. Which a shotgun to face is. Devs probably thought they could make it a bit better, and imo it's a good change. It's not like there isn't insane exotic weapons that don't use special ammo either.

Having said that, pvp in this game is garbage and always has been. Play it for bounties, like normal people.

[The_Penance]

Първоначално публикувано от DCR:

it's a casual looter shooter. There is not a single competitive element in the entire game, but some weird people like to believe it is. Morons that is. Game goes does it part to put forth that you have achieved "triumps" are meaningful to other players as a skill. Couldn't be further from the reality. Winning tournaments and getting money for it, that's cool, playing a looter shooter and complaining about that the game is casual, i mean hello. Wakey wakey.. If special ammo slot is a problem, just equip a good pulse or something.

Първоначално публикувано от Infinite:

imo pvp is better than it has been for a long time considering you cant just respawn with 2 shotty shots and main your special

And Infinite here has a very simple and 100% valid point. It's a good change. Respawning with basically super ability as in guaranteed kill ability on spawn well that is insanely casual. Which a shotgun to face is. Devs probably thought they could make it a bit better, and imo it's a good change. It's not like there isn't insane exotic weapons that don't use special ammo either.

Having said that, pvp in this game is garbage and always has been. Play it for bounties, like normal people.

We can agree to disagree its fine. The PvE got boring ages ago and I was just stating a fact that the state of PvP leads to cancerous unfair gameplay that isn't fun. You don't have to like PvP to understand that my statement is a big problem and more people will figure it out the longer the game goes on.

[Killface]

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they sunset because of Recluse and MT. Of course PvP affects PvE, since they wont seperate the sandbox, and PvP players just reeeee all over Twitter. PvP is just random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ go and always has been.

Also I like how D2 players describe the "feel" of PvP. Or that a gun "feels so good". You know what it is? Aim Assist. You love the feel of Aim Assist. This was just a post for you to come in and drop your ELO numbers. Your a very special butterfly.

mouse and keyboard has almost no aim assist. i also play CSGO and other shooters. It just feels good. Sorry wrong. But thank you for coming by.

lol, its like you havent played it.

[The_Penance]

Първоначално публикувано от Killface:

Първоначално публикувано от The_Penance:

mouse and keyboard has almost no aim assist. i also play CSGO and other shooters. It just feels good. Sorry wrong. But thank you for coming by.

lol, its like you havent played it.

sure :)

[DCR]

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lol, its like you havent played it.

sure :)

He isn't wrong, it really is that way. You can literally shoot directly at a wall and still hit enemy standing next to the wall. Quite a few videos about this on youtube. You have to be moronic to not recognize how strong aim assist is in this game.

[The_Penance]

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sure :)

He isn't wrong, it really is that way. You can literally shoot directly at a wall and still hit enemy standing next to the wall. Quite a few videos about this on youtube. You have to be moronic to not recognize how strong aim assist is in this game.

i mean none of you read my previous post. So like i'm just going to keep responding with a smiley face at this point.

:)

[Kylito]

Първоначално публикувано от The_Penance:

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He isn't wrong, it really is that way. You can literally shoot directly at a wall and still hit enemy standing next to the wall. Quite a few videos about this on youtube. You have to be moronic to not recognize how strong aim assist is in this game.

i mean none of you read my previous post. So like i'm just going to keep responding with a smiley face at this point.

:)

what is there in your post to read? The point is that in D2, KBaM has bullet magnetism, which adds to the "good feel" of guns. Your response was just "nuh uh".

[Rivery Jerald]

Първоначално публикувано от The_Penance:

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they sunset because of Recluse and MT. Of course PvP affects PvE, since they wont seperate the sandbox, and PvP players just reeeee all over Twitter. PvP is just random ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ go and always has been.

Also I like how D2 players describe the "feel" of PvP. Or that a gun "feels so good". You know what it is? Aim Assist. You love the feel of Aim Assist. This was just a post for you to come in and drop your ELO numbers. Your a very special butterfly.

mouse and keyboard has almost no aim assist. i also play CSGO and other shooters. It just feels good. Sorry wrong. But thank you for coming by.

if you use the bow, you will see bullet magnetism, there is the same feeling with normal firearms

https://youtu.be/5_22al2JV3c?t=3
https://youtu.be/KWXwZ4yl_w0

[Snyper64]

PVP has always been a mixed bag. Used to play it a lot more before Beyond Light launched. But between the half + Year of freeze tag crucible turned into, the in air accuracy blundering, and the lack of maps/game modes I pretty much quit. The 30th anniversary balancing was pretty much the best that crucible felt since I've been playing the game.

As for current gameplay changes, the darkness subclasses just ruin the rhythm of the game and with the slowing/freezing, and strand yanking you into the air or auto tracking you with strandlings/etc. it's one of those fun to use but not fun to go against things. The special ammo changes is a good change for non competitive PVP (I haven't played any competitive PVP so I can't say anything about that side of it) though I've been seeing more bow swapping because of it unfortunately. I've also been running into a lot more spray and pray weapon's with the new health system so though it's a mixed bag since it's not just hand cannons on 80% of the players anymore. Other than that it's still the same issues with certain broken weapons, the peer to peer BS, and the usual Destiny toxicity.

[Mez Koo]

It is great, haven't gotten killed by a single cheesy sniper head shot, the game is an ape fest again.

[DCR]

OP, the_penance, is just suffering from extreme denial. A part of him/her has realized it and is now fuzzing over it. It's way too common.