bows are kind of TOO good

[Dedprice]

i know bungie wants viable bows, but they REALLLLY need to look at them in pvp. Theyre very strong. like.. easy 5.0 kd strong. then with all the "love" bungie is giving them, some are capable of one tapping. either grant them secondary ammo or nerf em.

[DCR]

Nope. Monarque was even just nerfed into oblivion. All bow users are easily countered with practically any gun.. The streingth of bows are the same as with sniper rifles, the advantage of distance and ambush.

[Dedprice]

Originally posted by DCR:

Nope. Monarque was even just nerfed into oblivion. All bow users are easily countered with practically any gun.. The streingth of bows are the same as with sniper rifles, the advantage of distance and ambush.

monarque isnt the problem. its ALL bows. and bows cant be countered by any gun. sniping? just jump because bows have stupid high AE. bows have super low zoom meaning you can snipe or fight close up. 1 bow shot leaves someone able to be melee-killable.

Ambush isnt needed on a perk roll for bow and bow users are using it in your face if you mean it in the other sense. dont give your opinion if you dont know what im/you're talking about. hunters and warlocks can have a field day with a whole enemy team in QP and in trials a single bow user can map a 1v3 as ive already witnessed it.

[DCR]

Originally posted by Dedprice:

Originally posted by DCR:

Nope. Monarque was even just nerfed into oblivion. All bow users are easily countered with practically any gun.. The streingth of bows are the same as with sniper rifles, the advantage of distance and ambush.

monarque isnt the problem. its ALL bows. and bows cant be countered by any gun. sniping? just jump because bows have stupid high AE. bows have super low zoom meaning you can snipe or fight close up. 1 bow shot leaves someone able to be melee-killable.

Ambush isnt needed on a perk roll for bow and bow users are using it in your face if you mean it in the other sense. dont give your opinion if you dont know what im/you're talking about. hunters and warlocks can have a field day with a whole enemy team in QP and in trials a single bow user can map a 1v3 as ive already witnessed it.

So you basically saying that they should be able to just rush the bow users head-on over distance and be unkillable the entire time till they kill the bow-user.
I've made a living playing games. Won my fair share of actually skilled games in the quake franchise. You are just a sad because you suck at games and can't deal with it.

[DCR]

Use the knowledge you gained from those games to find a good counter instead. Perhaps a better roll for your guns. A distance sniper rifle, +85 range auto's or maybe just bring your own bow.

[GK | Leviathan]

Bows are in a somewhat more balanced place then before, but it’s no more annoying then a arc sliding warlock, just have to learn how to play against it.

I find if there’s a particularly good bow user on the enemy team, I rely on my sniper, if not team shoot, he can’t kill both of you.

[Mez Koo]

Tbf crafted bows are bugged atm with "illegal" perks that allow easy one shotting.

[N33MA]

They are pretty annoying. Bows are super good for any scenario where a team mate can provide a small amount of damage to push the damage threshold to kill. However I don't think they are overall broken since they have pretty bad dueling potential and can get overwelmed easily if they are caught without cover nearby.

[Jagdtiger]

You're right but have an incorrect reasoning. There is currently a bug that allows some bows to one tap, and are obviously overpowered - this is getting fixed today. Bows, however, are extremely overpowered in general, but usually only in very high level play. Having a ~0.8ttk on a weapon that kills in 2 body shots, can be hipfired, has no meaningful airborne penalty, and can instantly tap you for 150 at any range is very powerful, especially in the hands of skilled players in coordinated teams. Usually though, you won't see anybody who has a clue how to use a bow outside of the top ~3% (roughly ascendant tier), which makes them a nightmare to balance. They are currently a serious menace of top tier MMR and almost useless to most other players

[kiwionly]

As an avid bow user, I can understand the frustration... fighting a bow swap loadout can be incredibly annoying, as they essentially get access to an extremely fast and easy ttk, though they do have to sacrifice their special slot, so there's still a trade-off. Fighting several bow users at the same time is almost always extremely unfun, as you will repeatedly get 2 tapped from dozens of meters away anytime you peak an angle. This is rare though, since bows themselves aren't really that popular.

Bows on their own, however, are fairly mediocre. They are quite powerful for team-shooting, but have practically no dueling capabilities whatsoever. Unless you're peakshooting an overzealous goof from ~30 meters away, you will constantly struggle to close out your kills while getting eaten alive by every other primary weapon in the game. That, and lightweight bows still feel pretty terrible... I know lightweight bows have some fans, but bows themselves are already niche, so having a niche archetype within an already niche weapon type does little to help.

Basically, they're great combo/team-shot weapons, but struggle heavily on their own.

[Al Mosiqar Type Beat - الفأ]

u get one shotted bcs of the glitched reservoir burst perk on bows

[lockwoodx]

Bows are mid-tier imo. Low skill ceiling, satisfying results, impossible to dominate with.

edit: oh and the solution to bows is nades but not everyone runs long-ball

[♱Psycho♱]

idk man, my bows wont 1 hit if i hit the head, but their bows 1 tap me on body with 100 res, game inconsistent af.

[lockwoodx]

Originally posted by ♱Psycho♱:

idk man, my bows wont 1 hit if i hit the head, but their bows 1 tap me on body with 100 res, game inconsistent af.

Bow frames and draw times play a big part. Plus didn't they mess with damage drop-off thru scopes at the beginning of the season? So basically none of the bows drop off now because who hipfires one?

edit: again if you're having trouble vs bows equip the long-ball arm mod and huck grenades across the map until you latch a sticky one to his annoying face.

[DCR]

Originally posted by ♱Psycho♱:

idk man, my bows wont 1 hit if i hit the head, but their bows 1 tap me on body with 100 res, game inconsistent af.

All bows are not equal, stuff like explosive head also adds damage.
Your fps setting and network adapter settings could potentially determine small differences here, given game's netcode runs p2p and game has known frametime issues. The game is consistently inconsistent :)

[GeeNinja]

would love to go to war and just give the bow and knifing boys just that. see if they can take a 50cal to the head run up 2 u and kill u. i know its not real but ffs a knife or bow vs the rest of the guns u can have