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Platypus20 Oct 10, 2023 @ 2:13pm
What is the Witness trying to do?
Is it trying to take the Traveler's full powers so it can delete everything from existence?
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Mez Koo Oct 10, 2023 @ 2:15pm 
It wants everything in a perfect state so there is no more chaos and no more suffering, the final shape.
https://youtu.be/Z0CKckjryVI?si=qk52cjH41EdYBejb
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Platypus20 Oct 10, 2023 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Mez Koo:
It wants everything in a perfect state so there is no more chaos and no more suffering, the final shape.

I see the bad in it for life which currently exist but at the same time I'm thinking If all life gets deleted then no one else has to suffer ever again.

Earth is a sad place, lots of suffering.

I doubt the Witness plans to do delete life in a moral way though, it probably wants to delete us all without letting us first die from old age.

I'd be fine with all life going extinct but only if all those currently living get to live the remainder of their life.
Mez Koo Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:14pm 
Originally posted by Platypus20:
I see the bad in it for life which currently exist but at the same time I'm thinking If all life gets deleted then no one else has to suffer ever again.
So no one could ever love again either huh? Those are some serious issues you should probably talk to a therapist about.
Platypus20 Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by Mez Koo:
Originally posted by Platypus20:
I see the bad in it for life which currently exist but at the same time I'm thinking If all life gets deleted then no one else has to suffer ever again.
So no one could ever love again either huh? Those are some serious issues you should probably talk to a therapist about.

That's not what I said.

People can fall in love but we would all be unable to reproduce, thus, preventing future life from being brought into this world and sparing them from potentially suffering.
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Mez Koo Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:24pm 
How is that not what you're saying? You would prevent future life out of fear they would suffer while that same life could love. If we were in apocalypse times then I could agree with "why would you bring a child into that" but we're not (yet).

The Witness is the bad guy and I think you're misinterpreting the situation, sure its perfected universe won't have suffering but it almost certainly wouldn't have life either. The Traveler seeks to create life and at the same time has the potential to create chaos and from that chaos destruction. The Witness is not trying to create some utopia where the entire universe is in harmony it wants to end the entire universe so there is no potential for chaos.
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Platypus20 Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:30pm 
Originally posted by Mez Koo:
How is that not what you're saying? You would prevent future life out of fear they would suffer while that same life could love.

The Witness is the bad guy and I think you're misinterpreting the situation, sure its perfect universe won't have suffering but it won't have life either. The traveler seeks to create life and at the same time has the potential to create chaos and from that chaos destruction. The Witness is not trying to create some utopia where the entire universe is in harmony it wants to end the entire universe so there is no potential for chaos.

Yeah, I agree with the Witness. End the entire universe so there's no potential for anything to suffer ever again but let those who are currently living live the rest of their lives before ending it all.

Take a look at Earth, it's full of suffering. If it wasn't for humans developing advanced intelligence to build things, we would just be like the rest of the animals which suffer. Look at how lions live, they suffer just to live. Look at the prey animals, they get brutally killed by predators. You or I might have it easy but what about all the people in countries where they're starving, unable to get clean water, covered in flies, and have diseases they can't cure?

If we were all the final beings of life to ever exist, no new life would have to suffer like how we see now.

It's a sad truth that life has so much suffering, and it's sad to think of our species going extinct. It's sad to look at everything we've accomplished to just abandon it. But deep down, rejecting the Witness means more will continue to be born into horrible situations where they suffer.

It's also important to point out that we can never exactly know what the true intention of the Witness is. It could lie right to our faces about wanting to end all suffering, leaving us with surprised Pikachu face if it enslaves us. I doubt it wants to enslave us though, unless it wanted to force the different kinds of species to endure extreme stress to see what we all can evolve into. That would be horrific.
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shotgun enjoyer Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:40pm 
I'm on witness site ngl, there is too much suffering
EASY PETE Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:41pm 
Metro man will have to stop megamind again
Platypus20 Oct 10, 2023 @ 3:45pm 
Originally posted by shotgun enjoyer:
I'm on witness site ngl, there is too much suffering

Based for accepting the truth

Originally posted by EASY PETE:
Metro man will have to stop megamind again

And lmao, I swear everywhere I go I see you. xD I just think of Easy Pete's voice whenever you're in a post.
AloofHermit37 (Banned) Oct 10, 2023 @ 4:22pm 
this season immaru has said the final shape is "just flat. its static." and its like "winning a game by turning it off. forever."
Bnn1 Oct 10, 2023 @ 4:23pm 
The Witness is obviously trying to destroy the Tower.

Commander Zavala will sacrifice himself to save us, and that starts the plot for D3 - D3: The search for mr. zavala
mintTea Oct 10, 2023 @ 5:06pm 
Originally posted by Platypus20:
Is it trying to take the Traveler's full powers so it can delete everything from existence?


the witness is trying to attain more power and merge everything into the final shape.

Reamrkably similar to thesis antithesis synthesis.
Nakos Oct 10, 2023 @ 6:41pm 
The Final Shape = The Heat Death of the Universe.

Perfect order, all matter and energy evenly distributed.

Order is often presented as "good" in stories, but in this case, Order is being presented as "evil".
Bnn1 Oct 10, 2023 @ 7:12pm 
Originally posted by Nakos:
The Final Shape = The Heat Death of the Universe.

Perfect order, all matter and energy evenly distributed.

Order is often presented as "good" in stories, but in this case, Order is being presented as "evil".

Well duh! The disarray means that the uneven distribution of all things making up everything was what created all the living things, and destroying all that simply to achieve a perfected distribution of the things is nothing but universe wide genocide, of course that'll be branded as evil from a storyteller side.

Logically humans and all other things have not chosen to be arranged in such a way that they came to being, but just wiping everything out is naturally super evil as an act.

Even if you see it from some religions and scientists point of view, that all energy returns back to the cosmos, so nobody truly "dies", some form of reincarnation or ascendancy for sure, the comfort that even though you die your energy still returns to where it once came from is far from comforting since most people tend to love their lives.
ReBeL Oct 10, 2023 @ 11:16pm 
Originally posted by Platypus20:
Is it trying to take the Traveler's full powers so it can delete everything from existence?
That is almost right, it wants to delete previous content [DLCs] of the game hahaha
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