I've been off since August 2022. What did I miss in terms of;

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

Playability nerfs, perfomance FIX, anticheat implementations to catch these ''get gud'' false players. I don't mind that much about spoiling the story since, I've been watching videos, talking to friends and I only have Forsaken content. Never paid for any seasonal content either.

[ﾏｿｿｿ ₒ❤]

you're not missing out tbh, same problems but it's just worse, i wouldn't come back if i were u, unless... they add a pet Vaporeon.


did you know that in terms of guardian and Pokémon, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokémon for Guardians?
Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average of 3”03’ tall and 63.9 pounds,
this means they’re large enough to be able to handle many threats including underwater one, and with their impressive Base Stats for HP and access to Acid Armor, you can bring them to raids or nightfall.
Due to their mostly water based biology, there’s no doubt in my mind that a Vaporeon would be incredibly slippery,
They can also learn the moves Attract, Baby-Doll Eyes, Captivate, Charm, and Tail Whip, so it’d be incredibly easy for one to get out of trouble even when captured by the enemies.
With their abilities Water Absorb and Hydration, they can easily recover from fatigue with enough water.
No other Pokémon comes close to this level of compatibility.

[Mez Koo]

It literally still the same old Destiny 2 you hate. New things are a new weapon and subclass element, they made the game hard, monitization constantly getting worse (season price increase and silver exclusive 20$ armor sets), seasons are still seasons, Lightfall is a totally skippable dlc unless you want the new subclass. Bad writing and terrible pacing (also took the entire season AFTER the expansion to get answers we deserved through out the campaign itself to make any sense) and filler location but action, mission, and subclass (once you can start building into it) are fun enough for the "action movie" thing they were trying to go for.

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ☂д☂:

I've been watching videos, talking to friends and I only have Forsaken content. Never paid for any seasonal content either.

Then get Legacy Collection 2023 if you want Shadowkeep, Beyond Light, and Witch Queen. Witch Queen was good but the game took a nose dive with Lightfall. Shadowkeep and Beyond Light actually got "book-ended" last year (Moon nightmares and Eramis + house of salvation resolved) through seasons but you missed those and Witch Queen (Savathun and Imaru) currently being resolved leading into Final Shape.

Here is the gist of the current state of things: https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/state_of_the_game_aug_2023
TLDR: You keep paying us but we couldn't afford to make new stuff.

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

70 minutes to study all the changed they've made to Arc subclass. Having to read and analyse all weapon and armor mods...omg forgot about how much this can annoying.

[Kylito]

Last wish raid had its loot refreshed, you can now get crafting patterns for them and new perks on all the guns. Apex Predator is now the #1 DPS option.

Bungie finally pulled the trigger and nerfed Divinity, now it's only used for certain raid boss' DPS phases, Tractor cannon is now superior for debuffs.

Linears got a 15% damage nerf, rockets are now objectively better except for very long sustained DPS phases and swords on certain bosses.

Starfire got gutted, HoIL got a light nerf, solar restoration got a light nerf, volatile rounds got a big nerf.

Seasonal artifact overhaul, mods now auto-equip and don't need armor energy. You can pick a maximum of 12.

Modifiers are actually very relevant now, read them and change mods/weapons accordingly.

This is what I can think of off the top of my head.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Bungie finally pulled the trigger and nerfed Divinity, now it's only used for certain raid boss' DPS phases, Tractor cannon is now superior for debuffs.

Did they though? Anything that either requires a crit spot or easier target still requires divinity and anything that doesn't didn't use it before anyway. Literally speaking yes they nerfed it but its usage (for lfg) remains the same. For example div still gets used for daughters because they're harder to hit otherwise and div was never used for oryx because his chest spot is almost impossible to miss, neither of these changed with the nerf.

Plus they fixed divinity overriding the weaken debuff so you can just use both div for the bubble and tether for the debuff.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Kylito:

Bungie finally pulled the trigger and nerfed Divinity, now it's only used for certain raid boss' DPS phases, Tractor cannon is now superior for debuffs.

Did they though? Anything that either requires a crit spot or easier target still requires divinity and anything that doesn't didn't use it before anyway. Literally speaking yes they nerfed it but its usage (for lfg) remains the same. For example div still gets used for daughters because they're harder to hit otherwise and div was never used for oryx because his chest spot is almost impossible to miss, neither of these changed with the nerf.

Plus they fixed divinity overriding the weaken debuff so you can just use both div for the bubble and tether for the debuff.

No one in their right mind (even in LFG teams) uses Div for daughters. Because you can use rockets, and rockets don't need crits. The only boss I can think of right now that actually wants div is Ir Yut. Any other boss you can just use rockets.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Kylito:

The only boss I can think of right now that actually wants div is Ir Yut. Any other boss you can just use rockets.

Bosses that can take full advantage of Divinity:
Taniks
Rhulk
Warpriest
Ir Yut

Bosses that have situational advantage of Divinity:
Daughters
Atheon
Cartaker
Nezarec

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Kylito:

The only boss I can think of right now that actually wants div is Ir Yut. Any other boss you can just use rockets.

Bosses that can take full advantage of Divinity:
Taniks
Rhulk
Warpriest
Ir Yut

Bosses that have situational advantage of Divinity:
Daughters
Atheon
Cartaker
Nezarec

Every single one of those bosses use rocket DPS. No div needed.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Bosses that can take full advantage of Divinity:
Taniks
Rhulk
Warpriest
Ir Yut

Bosses that have situational advantage of Divinity:
Daughters
Atheon
Cartaker
Nezarec

Every single one of those bosses use rocket DPS. No div needed.

Taniks is dangerous for tractor and too long for tether
Rhulk walks out of tether and is a small mobile target for rockets
Warpriest is too far for tractor and too long for tether
Ir Yut is a small and mobile target for rockets

Daughters is similar to Rhulk and Ir Yut
Atheon is probably the most situational but vex crit spot could be annoying if using precision
Caretaker long and mobile for tether and rocket ammo economy sucks
Nezarec has some Thunderlord uses

Yes we're in a rocket meta but a) that could change any season, b) rockets can still use a bigger target, c) some groups may prefer linears or even machine guns. Regardless divinity still has the ability to make lfg runs go smoother some times and its definitely up to the lfg whether someone asks "Div?" and then either "nah we don't need it" or "sure why not."

I'm not debating its optimal effectiveness, I'm simply arguing the implication that Bungie pulled the trigger and finally killed Divinity and I would still say its 100% an exotic that every raid player should try to get into their collection and that's not even to mention its usability in other end game master or dungeon content.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Kylito:

Every single one of those bosses use rocket DPS. No div needed.

Taniks is dangerous for tractor and too long for tether
Rhulk walks out of tether and is a small mobile target for rockets
Warpriest is too far for tractor and too long for tether
Ir Yut is a small and mobile target for rockets

Daughters is similar to Rhulk and Ir Yut
Atheon is probably the most situational but vex crit spot could be annoying if using precision
Caretaker long and mobile for tether and rocket ammo economy sucks
Nezarec has some Thunderlord uses

Yes we're in a rocket meta but a) that could change any season, b) some group may prefer linears. Regardless divinity still has the ability to make lfg runs go smoother some times and its definitely up to the lfg whether someone asks "Div?" and then either "nah we don't need it" or "sure why not."

I'm not debating its optimal effectiveness, I'm simply arguing the implication that Bungie pulled the trigger and finally killed Divinity and I would still say its 100% an exotic that every raid player should try to get into their collection and that's not even to mention its usability in other end game master or dungeon content.

Taniks 100% can be hit by tractor, use Luna's if you're really picky about it. Tether can also work because the boss has such little HP you could kill it by the time tether is over.

Rhulk can be hit by tractor, and is only really mobile while dashing and attacking, so if you can memorize the patterns you will have no problems hitting the boss.

Warpriest can be hit by tractor if you damage from the side of the boss, and rockets are also used.

Ir Yut is actually where Div is used with Levi's breath.

Daughters do not move at all and are easy to hit with rockets.

Atheon you don't ever use precision weapons, it's an ability spam boss, can also be tractor'd.

Caretaker can be tractor'd, rockets are good for burst DPS and Caretaker is a burst DPS boss.

Nezzy can be tractor'd and is a rocket boss.

[DCR]

I like how the names of these bosses are known, and 93% of the game's players never done a raid.

New abilities are pretty easy to catch up on. Just pick between synergy or pure stats addition. The text information in the game about each "aspect" is quite decent for destiny 2 relative. Could of course be a lot better to explain it all. But nades are still nades, melee is still melee.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Kylito:

Taniks 100% can be hit by tractor, use Luna's if you're really picky about it. Tether can also work because the boss has such little HP you could kill it by the time tether is over.

Rhulk can be hit by tractor, and is only really mobile while dashing and attacking, so if you can memorize the patterns you will have no problems hitting the boss.

Warpriest can be hit by tractor if you damage from the side of the boss, and rockets are also used.

Ir Yut is actually where Div is used with Levi's breath.

Again, talking lfg runs where its not as coordinated (bonus points for no comms) and you're not going to get a 10 second Taniks kill, or everyone has Rhulk movements memorized, people aren't standing on plates for warpriest, also saw someone trying to using Leviathan's Breath (like a video they saw about "omg one phase" I'm sure) the other day instead of just linears like everyone else and had lowest damage.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by DCR:

I like how the names of these bosses are known, and 93% of the game's players never done a raid.

To be fair 93% of players probably don't use steam forums or reddit.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Kylito:

Taniks 100% can be hit by tractor, use Luna's if you're really picky about it. Tether can also work because the boss has such little HP you could kill it by the time tether is over.

Rhulk can be hit by tractor, and is only really mobile while dashing and attacking, so if you can memorize the patterns you will have no problems hitting the boss.

Warpriest can be hit by tractor if you damage from the side of the boss, and rockets are also used.

Ir Yut is actually where Div is used with Levi's breath.

Again, talking lfg runs where its not as coordinated (bonus points for no comms) and you're not going to get a 10 second Taniks kill, or everyone has Rhulk movements memorized, people aren't standing on plates for warpriest, also saw someone trying to using Leviathan's Breath (like a video they saw about "omg one phase" I'm sure) the other day instead of just linears like everyone else and had lowest damage.

I exclusively run raids through LFG, and have never seen someone in the past 2 seasons or so use anything but rockets against Taniks or Rhulk.

Levi's ONLY is good against Ir Yut, and that's with Div. It can 1-phase consistently but ONLY with Ir Yut. Anywhere else and it is garbo.

[Mez Koo]

Either way all snipers are getting a flat damage increase next season so we could be seeing a Whisper, Izanagi, or Supremacy meta which would increase Divinity usage not even taking into account artifact mods that could push a meta.

Again, I was still saying it is still useful, the nerf to its weaken effect did not kill its main function of creating a big crit bubble and even if we do see a sniper rifle meta people will still use tractor or tether in combination of the bubble to easily hit the sniper shots.