So Devrim is a paratrooper?

[Moon Helldiver]

Can some lore daddy explain me when exactly the collapse happened? Cause Devrim being a paratrooper seems kind of odd. I thought the Witness send us back to stone age during the collapse and apart of the Vanguard we hardly had any form of military at all. I know Last City have Drake Tanks and probably non-guardian personnel to run them, but I never heard of airborne armed forces or something.

[Mez Koo]

There is the City Militia and the FotC which are both non guardian militia and Devrim likely spent his younger years as a drop trooper that were either dropped in to helped where guardians were spread thin or dropped to ambush smaller fallen camps.

[Nakos]

As for how long ago the Collapse was ... hundreds of years according to the lore books about Saladin.


Saladin is supposed to be the oldest chronological Guardian (AFAIK), and I believe he's supposed to be on the order of 500 years old. Zavala and Osiris are supposed to be almost as old.

Osiris is probably functionally the oldest Guardian due to the time he spent exploring alternate timelines in the Infinite Forest. (Although, Sagira is gone, so his time as a Guardian has ended, and the remainder of his life is likely to be short as Guardian's measure time).

If you want to be technical about it, Banshee-44 is probably older, although he's not a Guardian (again, AFAIK) and his memory is ... spotty.

All the Exos technically date from before the collapse, but the ones who are Guardians were all probably revived long after Saladin, and I don't think any of them remember the period prior to (or during) the collapse.

Ada-1 is also ancient. It's also important to note that (AFAIK) Ada-1 is the only known Exo who was not created by Clovis Bray (that we know of). She's the only Exo with a "1" after her name, meaning she's the original download and has never been reformatted, nor has she had Clovis mess with her memories (in order to make her more "stable").

[EckyThump]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Ada-1 is also ancient. It's also important to note that (AFAIK) Ada-1 is the only known Exo who was not created by Clovis Bray (that we know of). She's the only Exo with a "1" after her name, meaning she's the original download and has never been reformatted, nor has she had Clovis mess with her memories (in order to make her more "stable").

There's Atraks-1 too, first known non-human Exo.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by EckyThump:

Originally posted by Nakos:

Ada-1 is also ancient. It's also important to note that (AFAIK) Ada-1 is the only known Exo who was not created by Clovis Bray (that we know of). She's the only Exo with a "1" after her name, meaning she's the original download and has never been reformatted, nor has she had Clovis mess with her memories (in order to make her more "stable").

There's Atraks-1 too, first known non-human Exo.

Atraks is a Clovis Exo made on Europa presumably with Clarity Control, Ada-1's exo body was experimental and she was transferred as a child so her brain probably adapted more naturally to the new body or it just didn't have the side affects built into the Clovis Exos whether they were on purpose or by some grand design by the Witness or Nezarec.

[Nibbie]

Originally posted by Moon Atreides:

Can some lore daddy explain me when exactly the collapse happened? Cause Devrim being a paratrooper seems kind of odd. I thought the Witness send us back to stone age during the collapse and apart of the Vanguard we hardly had any form of military at all. I know Last City have Drake Tanks and probably non-guardian personnel to run them, but I never heard of airborne armed forces or something.

Uh, no? There were big setbacks of course, but the technology is still there, there isn't much preventing people from still using it. There are many examples of friendly aerial fighters in Destiny, we see fleets of them in multiple cutscenes (the intro of Ligthfall, for example). Not sure why a paratrooper seems strange to you either; its the fastest way to get someone where they need to be, wherever that may be. Heck, we are technically paratroopers, considering how frequently we 'jump' out of our ship at our destinations.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Jake:

Hope that answered your question without rambling about the age of Saladin for some reason.

Originally posted by Destinypedia:

Lord Saladin Forge is a Titan Guardian partnered with the Ghost Isirah and one of two known survivors of the original Iron Lords. He was one of the founders of the Iron Lords and helped end the Dark Age of Risen Warlords to establish the City Age.

https://www.destinypedia.com/Saladin_Forge

Originally posted by Destinypedia:

The Dark Age is the period that followed the Collapse when the Golden Age ended.[1] According to Lakshmi-2, "a thousand kings" rose and fell during this age.[2] It is followed by the City Age.[1] Looking through various sources on the beginning of the Dark Age—which directly succeeded the Golden Age—as well as comments made by Ghost throughout most of the campaign missions, it can be assumed that the Dark Age and those that followed lasted for at least four centuries.[3]

https://www.destinypedia.com/Dark_Age

Given that Saladin was made a Guardian during the Dark Age, and represents (literally) living memory of that time, I'd say yes, his age is relevant in at least providing a rough time frame of how long ago the Collapse occurred.

My point was: The Collapse dates back longer than Saladin has been alive (as a Guardian). (Which, according to the Lore books from the Season of the Risen, was about 500 years ago).