Drama?

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I'm a bit out of touch with this game but I know it has a really huge fan base, including an old friend of mine. But whats with the overwhelmingly negative review on the expansion. Was there some PR drama on twitter tied to it or is it really just that bad of an expansion? Can't seem to find a TL;DR version of why it is so hated.

[Mez Koo]

Because the newest expansion is just straight up filler with no story explanation other than selling the new subclass. It took an additional paid season months later to get explanations that should have been in the expansion and the real kicker is that when the community "demanded" answers Bungie literally said "tune into the next season to find out more!"

Imagine if you were watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy but you never saw the ring or knew why Frodo had to take it to Mordor but all the other characters knew but didn't tell you and constantly saying "you have to do it" so it felt like a overly dramatic hollow journey with no stakes or consequences.

That being said though the subclass is good when you fully unlock it and can build around it and actual gameplay is still a lot of fun and they were clearly going for an action movie feeling, the story missions themselves are entertaining in a just shoot and don't think kind of way but the narrative and pacing sucked.

If you ever enjoyed the game before then get it 50% off and you'll probably have a better experience since you'll have the answers now through the inclusion of the current season. This season (of the deep) should have been the season Lightfall launched with and it might not have been so negative.

[trukr]

I agree with Mez Koo on this, add to it that it followed a very good expansion, Witch Queen making it a harder fall.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by trukr:

I agree with Mez Koo on this, add to it that it followed a very good expansion, Witch Queen making it a harder fall.

This too, it so painful because we know how good it can be with Witch Queen.

[Rivery Jerald]

Originally posted by Rokoi:

I'm a bit out of touch with this game but I know it has a really huge fan base, including an old friend of mine. But whats with the overwhelmingly negative review on the expansion. Was there some PR drama on twitter tied to it or is it really just that bad of an expansion? Can't seem to find a TL;DR version of why it is so hated.

Lightfall is basically a glorified tutorial for strand ability, that originally shouldve came with the witch queen, but was cut and put into lightfall, and lightfall was created around strand

[Aukyron]

Imagine the people that will play the expansion in one year, when the season content will not be available.

They'll never know why they did all this

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Aukyron:

Imagine the people that will play the expansion in one year, when the season content will not be available.

For real, so much stuff people miss because it goes away.
Uldren suddenly a guardian just hanging out from season of the hunt.
Cabal now our allies (Chosen) and Saladman working for them (Risen)
Fallen chilling in the tower along with the Cabal (Splicer)
Eramis randomly back out of no where (Plunder)
Traveler left the city and Rasputin dead (Seraph)
People coming back for Final shape wondering why Savathun is alive again as an "ally."

[OTMOPO3OK]

The worst expansion coming in right after one of their best, is what happened, and finally making the game pay to win puts the cherry on top. That was a breaking point for many.

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Originally posted by OTMOPO3OK:

The worst expansion coming in right after one of their best, is what happened, and finally making the game pay to win puts the cherry on top. That was a breaking point for many.

P2W in what way exactly? I can start to see how it got all those negatives now.

[OTMOPO3OK]

Originally posted by Rokoi:

Originally posted by OTMOPO3OK:

The worst expansion coming in right after one of their best, is what happened, and finally making the game pay to win puts the cherry on top. That was a breaking point for many.

P2W in what way exactly? I can start to see how it got all those negatives now.

https://youtu.be/nsIdPWB2_JA?t=1240
Timestamp points to the part of it that explains it in depth. Or watch the whole thing, its very informative.
If you dislike clicking links, just search for "Aztecross Destiny 2 has become a Microtransaction Hell" on google or youtube, and go to 20 minutes 30 seconds mark in the video.

[CTRL+ALT+DEFEAT]

aside from lightfall just being mid to bad, it doesn't help that the issues that have been plaguing the game for years now still haven't been addressed (mostly the network issues but there are lots of little things that have just piled up and now after how low effort lightfall was people are just getting apathetic about it).

at this point, sometimes i WANT to play and i'll login... then try to load into the tower and often have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for it to load in... and then it finally does and i sit on a black screen for anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes with sound in the background before i can finally start doing whatever i wanted to do there.... by then i'm already so annoyed with it that i just shut the game down. 50% of your time playing is looking at loading screens as it is and these "little" issues are ruining peoples' desire to even login and deal with it.

hopefully some of what is in the leaks for the next few seasons ends up being true since it would potentially breathe some fresh air into the game, but i remain skeptical at this point and will not, for the first time, pre-order another expansion once its available to do so and will just wait to see what the judgement ends up being for the Final Shape before diving in, if at all.

[OTMOPO3OK]

Originally posted by CTRL+ALT+DEFEAT:

at this point, sometimes i WANT to play and i'll login... then try to load into the tower and often have to sit there for 5 minutes waiting for it to load in... and then it finally does and i sit on a black screen for anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes with sound in the background before i can finally start doing whatever i wanted to do there.... by then i'm already so annoyed with it that i just shut the game down. 50% of your time playing is looking at loading screens as it is and these "little" issues are ruining peoples' desire to even login and deal with it.

Funny thing about that, you are not really loading the game while waiting on these, you are waiting on internal matchmaker to place you in a zone with other players, or if all are full, to create a fresh one for you and others. I used to use a firewall trick to block matchmaking when i was farming bounties, it made it so I'd always load alone, and my loading times were almost instant everywhere.
As another side effect, doing that also increased game stability due to peer to peer hosting they use, it eliminated all the kicks to orbit that would happen due to NAT conflicts between host player and others in the same zone.

[Mez Koo]

In addition to the above the game sometimes batch loads players art the same time do you could have 10 people with top of the line rigs but everyone has to wait for the old gen console hdd user to finally load in.

[FilthyPeasant]

If like to add also the Neptune weapons also have an abysmal drop rate which is also pretty frustrating. Still have yet to drop a pulse rifle or hand cannon.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by FilthyPeasentλROR:

If like to add also the Neptune weapons also have an abysmal drop rate which is also pretty frustrating. Still have yet to drop a pulse rifle or hand cannon.

They drop just fine from public events and heroic patrols. Getting the specific red borders you want can be a pain but you should get at least 1 copy of each weapon from the campaign mission and the zero/hero questline.

[Kylito]

Originally posted by OTMOPO3OK:

Originally posted by Rokoi:

P2W in what way exactly? I can start to see how it got all those negatives now.

https://youtu.be/nsIdPWB2_JA?t=1240
Timestamp points to the part of it that explains it in depth. Or watch the whole thing, its very informative.
If you dislike clicking links, just search for "Aztecross Destiny 2 has become a Microtransaction Hell" on google or youtube, and go to 20 minutes 30 seconds mark in the video.

D2 is P2W because hypothetically someone could pay $100 at the very start of the season to get XP for the artifact 12%/20% faster for a few days compared to another player? Or that for the same price you could hypothetically get a version of a weapon that is marginally better a few weeks faster than another player might? That makes it P2W?