Yo my stuff is useless now

[Kotarak]

I came back after a few years of just not finding time to play this game, and all my stuff is now useless ? Is there a way I can upgrade items ? I remember grinding my life away for a gun(some graywolf something gun from a halloween event) and now I can't even use it ? WHY?

[Horn]

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

WHY?

Short answer - Recluse, Mountaintop, Revoker and a bunch of other old guns were so strong and broken that Bungie decided to make them irrelevant, and all the loot that came out before Season of Worthy at the same time. So yeah, enjoy farming the new and old guns again

[Maxine]

Everything before Season of the Worthy (Season 10) is sunseted and can't be use in higher level content. They did because of power creep.

You need to get new gear (it's better then what we had anyway)

[>//The_FALCON]

tl;dr

they introduced sunsetting with beyond light

sunsetting means it has a light cap, it cant be infused higher. you can identify sunset gear by the white corner with black icon. normal gear is black corner with white icon

sunset gear can still be used, due to the light limit you can only really use it in legacy content (the same recommended light as the gear), which you can check before loading into the activity.

they sunsetted sunsetting after a while so you don't have to worry about future gear being taken away

consider this a destiny 3 where you start from scratch

[Dosbilliam, Boring but Practical]

Originally posted by Horn:

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

WHY?

Short answer - Recluse, Mountaintop, Revoker and a bunch of other old guns were so strong and broken that Bungie decided to make them irrelevant

To remove what seems to be an element of butthurt in this, they were sunset because of a developmental problem; either give in to power creep so people use the new weapons instead of sit on the same SMG they've been exclusively using for two years straight...or have only a small fraction of the playerbase using the new stuff because they're the people smart enough to not sit on the same SMG they've been exclusively using for two years straight.

[Mez Koo]

To make people use new guns.

[Nakos]

It's an ARPG. Kill stuff -> Get cool loot.

But if the old loot remains more desirable, then people prefer that and a key game-play carrot is lost (and/or undermined).

So many games use and obsolescence or durability system. Bungie tried a "hard" obsolescence system with sunsetting. Players hated it.

Players always hate obsolescence or durability systems.

So instead, Bungie switched to a softer obsolescence system, which ... basically works out to powercreep.

[cristianrrd]

we all suffered whe the sunset happened, but now we are a little better, it sucks at first, but you'll adapt

[Kotarak]

So future gear won't be affected?

[Maxine]

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

So future gear won't be affected?

Everything from season 10 onward is not affected.

[Jagdtiger]

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

So future gear won't be affected?

They are no longer sunsetting gear or DLC content

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

So future gear won't be affected?

No, any gear you obtain now and going forward will be possible to infuse and continue to use.

But like I said, the newest stuff is always going to be just a tiny bit better than anything from previous seasons. The key example of this is the manufacturer's perks that got added to weapons starting with Witch Queen.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

So future gear won't be affected?

No, any gear you obtain now and going forward will be possible to infuse and continue to use.

But like I said, the newest stuff is always going to be just a tiny bit better than anything from previous seasons. The key example of this is the manufacturer's perks that got added to weapons starting with Witch Queen.

It doesn't matter what they do, I'm not letting go of the Sunbracers I got during the Red War campaign in 2018.

[Delta]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

Originally posted by Nakos:

No, any gear you obtain now and going forward will be possible to infuse and continue to use.

But like I said, the newest stuff is always going to be just a tiny bit better than anything from previous seasons. The key example of this is the manufacturer's perks that got added to weapons starting with Witch Queen.

It doesn't matter what they do, I'm not letting go of the Sunbracers I got during the Red War campaign in 2018.

Literally why though?

They are magnitudes worse than any Sunbracers you could get now.

Hell, pulling one from you Collections would be better.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Crystal Sharrd:

It doesn't matter what they do, I'm not letting go of the Sunbracers I got during the Red War campaign in 2018.

Hey I've got a few old souvenirs too. I still have the last guns Asher Mir and Sloane ever gave me. They're useless of course, but I still keep them. I have the gun Petra killed Uldren Sov with too.

I'm not telling you to chuck out stuff that has meaning to you. I'm just telling you how the basic game-play carrot/stick approach works in ARPGs.

[Emurinus]

Originally posted by Corn Syrup Denier:

So future gear won't be affected?

Everything from Season of the Worthy (season 10) onward is safe. For reference, we are about to enter Season 20 with Lightfall.

In addition, they've been reissuing most of the old guns with updated perk pools, many of which being stronger than before. As far as armor goes, you can transmog that stuff to turn them into (nearly) universal armor ornaments.

There is also weapon crafting, which allows you to create your own god rolls given enough time and effort. Not all weapons can be crafted, but you can check which ones are craftable from your triumphs tab (under "catalysts and patterns" or something along those lines).