Lore Questions:

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

If the Light makes people forget who they were when it resurrects them for the first time and makes them guardians, how does Ana Bray remember her childhood, unless she became a guardian as a child? Do some people become guardians before dying, and only those who become guardians when their ghosts first find their bodies lose their memories?

I know there was that one guardian--whose name I think is Shin Malphur--who gained the ghost of his dead mentor and who also was the first to use the Golden Gun, and he seemed to retain his memories in the lore entries.

[Malevelon Creek Veteran]

I think she remembered some stuff back in warmind i think. We heard about her in the lore before (i am not 100% sure what i say is true) and the only thing she knew is that she is a Bray. After that she came to mars and started snooping around, that's where she managed to get some info about herself and her family.

[Nakos]

Most Guardians forget. Some remember ... at least some stuff.

Ana Bray remembers because she's a significant NPC. The things she remembers are plot drivers.

Yeah, I know, that's not a satisfying answer, but ... that's the way it is sometimes. Her memories had "plot armor", yours didn't.

Okay, so there's more to the story than I thought, but I still thing the main thing is "plot armor" for her memories. She's an NPC, it's more useful for her to have memories.

[theblock111]

If I remember correctly, Ana Bray was originally resurrected with her old ID card still with her. This ID card as a result allowed her to do research into who she was and past events that transpired prior to losing her memory as a guardian.

[Mez Koo]

She was resurrected with her name tag and dug to uncover and learn her past.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by theblock111:

If I remember correctly, Ana Bray was originally resurrected with her old ID card still with her. This ID card as a result allowed her to do research into who she was and past events that transpired prior to losing her memory as a guardian.

How did she remember her sister, though? With all the emotional content in the dialogue, it seems as though she remembers Elsie as more than someone she read about.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by La Graaanch:

How did she remember her sister, though? With all the emotional content in the dialogue, it seems as though she remembers Elsie as more than someone she read about.

She learned about her family and then found out that one of them was still alive so its less of a deep emotional thing and more of "hey I have family that is still alive" and everyone knows a brother or sister would be important regardless of if they actually knew them or not. She gets emotional because she wants to get closer and form a relationship but the sister pushes her away.

[Typhir]

Ana Bray doesn't remember anything from before she was brought back by her ghost. She was brought back with her ID badge on her. Everything from the Warmind expansion was from her investigation into her own past, which is heavily discouraged by the Vanguard. She doesn't remember Elsie and it is more of a "Oh, I have a sister? Why didn't she ever contact me? Why didn't she come help us when we needed her?"

Shin Malphur is a different weird case. Depending on whether you believe he was the baby that was resurrected by a ghost that later sacrificed itself to save the people it was with from the Fallen, if so, he never had any previous memories to remember. It is somewhat implied by the lore, but never confirmed. The ghost of Jaren Ward follows Shin around as Jaren could not be resurrected again after being killed by a Weapon of Sorrow, Thorn. It is unknown whether or not Shin can be brought back or even healed by Jaren's ghost. According to several people including Jaren, Shin was blessed by the Light even as a child. If this is the case, he would be the only human to ever wield the Light as a weapon in the form of the Golden Gun without a ghost by his side. Ghosts, as far as we understand, can only be bonded to a single guardian as our ghost said there was nothing he could do to help Cayde-6 when he was dying in front of us as Sundance (Cayde's ghost) was killed moments earlier.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Typhir:

Ghosts, as far as we understand, can only be bonded to a single guardian as our ghost said there was nothing he could do to help Cayde-6 when he was dying in front of us.

As I personally understand it, they can only make a single bond to connect someone to the light and bring them back so in the case of Shin Malphur he already had already been connected to the light and the new ghost could either restore that connection or connect itself to it while our ghost is already actively connected to us and couldn't connect to another guardian.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Typhir:

Ana Bray doesn't remember anything from before she was brought back by her ghost. She was brought back with her ID badge on her. Everything from the Warmind expansion was from her investigation into her own past, which is heavily discouraged by the Vanguard. She doesn't remember Elsie and it is more of a "Oh, I have a sister? Why didn't she ever contact me? Why didn't she come help us when we needed her?"

Shin Malphur is a different weird case. Depending on whether you believe he was the baby that was resurrected by a ghost that later sacrificed itself to save the people it was with from the Fallen, if so, he never had any previous memories to remember. It is somewhat implied by the lore, but never confirmed. The ghost of Jaren Ward follows Shin around as Jaren could not be resurrected again after being killed by a Weapon of Sorrow, Thorn. It is unknown whether or not Shin can be brought back or even healed by Jaren's ghost. According to several people including Jaren, Shin was blessed by the Light even as a child. If this is the case, he would be the only human to ever wield the Light as a weapon in the form of the Golden Gun without a ghost by his side. Ghosts, as far as we understand, can only be bonded to a single guardian as our ghost said there was nothing he could do to help Cayde-6 when he was dying in front of us as Sundance (Cayde's ghost) was killed moments earlier.

I may be misremembering, but I thought that Jaren's ghost was able to bond with Shin for some weird, unique reason, or at least that he was able to teach Shin.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Typhir:

Ghosts, as far as we understand, can only be bonded to a single guardian as our ghost said there was nothing he could do to help Cayde-6 when he was dying in front of us.

As I personally understand it, they can only make a single bond to connect someone to the light and bring them back so in the case of Shin Malphur he already had already been connected to the light and the new ghost could either restore that connection or connect itself to it while our ghost is already actively connected to us and couldn't connect to another guardian.

That makes sense.

[Chadiwan Kenobi]

Thanks for all the answers, by the way.

[linas.warrior]

Can a Guardian be made without dying?

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by linas.warrior:

Can a Guardian by made without dying?

Probably not. Every example we've seen (afaik) required death including the hive light bearers needed to be resurrected and the witness's disciples needing to die.

That being said the light/dark can still affect people such as what we've seen with the traveler ascending civilizations and how the hive society operates but I think specifically so far for "light or dark bearers" such as guardians or disciples they've needed to die and I'd guess and say its to break casuality to be paracasual. Such as the taken who are taken and stripped away, scorn being zombie fallen, and even the awoken were unmade in a black-hole.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Most Guardians forget. Some remember ... at least some stuff.

Ana Bray remembers because she's a significant NPC. The things she remembers are plot drivers.

Yeah, I know, that's not a satisfying answer, but ... that's the way it is sometimes. Her memories had "plot armor", yours didn't.

Okay, so there's more to the story than I thought, but I still thing the main thing is "plot armor" for her memories. She's an NPC, it's more useful for her to have memories.

Is the amnesia intentional or does it occur unintentionally as a side effect of resurrection?

[shh.]

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