Stop screwing us over in co-op!

[Vokun Vulon]

Why is it stupidly more difficult to run the final fight in a group?
Why does the ENTIRE community say that you should run it solo and that its "literally too hard to do it in a group"?
What do you have against people like me who only play this because we have people to play it with?
I even bought Witch Queen Deluxe Edition for both me AND my friend I most often play with just so they dont get left out due to finances, and we can't kill the final boss together no matter what we do, yet they had "minimal difficulty" doing on their own!
I've lost count of how many times we have tried, even had a 3rd join us to see if the extra gun would help, and now I'm going to have to do it solo for the first time since I started playing this game years ago, if I wanted to play on my own I have other games for that, please, is there an answer as to why this is so against co-operative play??

[Holy Aaron]

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[Mez Koo]

Stuff has a little bit more health isn't that it? Just shoot the same stuff and move as a team.

[Vokun Vulon]

It's not that simple, and the scaling is far too high anyway, if it was as simple as that then why does so much of the community outright tell you to run it solo?

[burner19]

I did it solo and with group on legendary. Its not that hard if you know how to build your char. Mods are a thing. They allow you to deal more damage and recive much less damage. Most people slaps some random armor with random stats and crappy mods and cry that this is difficult. No it isnt you just dont have a working build or proper weapons. Beside you have 3 witches that after you kill them you get damage phase. Timer of damage phase is on bottom left of your ui. Damage phase lets you land all crits inside her bubble. When you have 10 -15 seconds of damage phase left you go for witches spawn points because when timer reaches 0 they spawn Always at the same location. Kill them again and repeat. Also whend glaive suppresion mod wasnt dissabled it allowed you to shoot glaive at the witch and she was paralyzed and could do nothing. So shoot witch she is dissabled, kill all and go next or if you are in 3. Every person goes to a spawn point and kills witch instantly than go damage savathun. I died 5 times and killed her on legendary. The difficulty is optimal. Just people are acustomed to everything being piss poor easy and are lazy af in using proper builds. BUILD isnt slapping 2 exotics and going for hard content its synergy between exotics mods and stats on armor. Build properly and this boss will be easy af.

[Vokun Vulon]

I've been playing for a good few years now, I know what the hell I am doing, we all have set builds, we have tried numerous combinations, we know the game mechanics, I mean hell, I said it in the post, I've ran it with 2 people who done it solo, and they both say they had no issues with this crap in solo and in coop its absolute bollocks, and theyve been in here longer than I have so you bloody bet they know what the hell they are doing, heck they teach the rest of us how to run raid dungeons, so if you don't mind, don't act like I'm a new-light

[Vokun Vulon]

Further to this, my friend just told me they had 2 concussive dampeners and well of tenacity going and still got 1-clapped by her frelling stormtrance

[burner19]

Originally posted by Vokun Vulon:

I've been playing for a good few years now, I know what the hell I am doing, we all have set builds, we have tried numerous combinations, we know the game mechanics, I mean hell, I said it in the post, I've ran it with 2 people who done it solo, and they both say they had no issues with this crap in solo and in coop its absolute bollocks, and theyve been in here longer than I have so you bloody bet they know what the hell they are doing, heck they teach the rest of us how to run raid dungeons, so if you don't mind, don't act like I'm a new-light

Than tell me what kills you ? On the wall where witches are savathun almost NEVER attacks you. Witches are extremly easy to kill because of supression. Savathun always has a long annimation of changing light stance and before attacking and there are ton of place to hide. If you are playing in a team one fo your team mates can clear trash by using witherhorde. Optimaly using gjalla with other rl and ammo mods can damage sava and clear trash even faster. Use suppers only to save yourself when you are low health and to clear trash mobs. You can do tons of stuff. I killed sava 6 or 7 times already on legendary helping other people its not that hard. Just think where you are making mistakes and addapt.

[burner19]

Originally posted by Vokun Vulon:

Further to this, my friend just told me they had 2 concussive dampeners and well of tenacity going and still got 1-clapped by her frelling stormtrance

stormtrance is easy to dodge because it is going in 1 direction and it is not tracking you. You just need to know when to move. It also has limited range.

[Mez Koo]

A sniper rifle and tractor cannon probably aren't the best loadout tbh.

[R A Z E R]

Just keep trying until you win, i died between 40-50 times before i got trough it. It's rough but not impossible or anything. Switch up loadouts if what you have isn't going to cut it.

[Vokun Vulon]

our best run was with me keeping the weaken on her from TC whilst 1 pal used lament on her and another used a RL, for the record, and no I would clearly not use it if I were running it solo, but I haven't ran it solo yet because I don't play D2 to play on my own, I got other crap for that.
It has been suggested, given how the run went with TC, Lament and the RL, that when I have the will to try it again my main friend will join me and see how TC and Lament goes, but I don't think it needed to be said that we have tried god knows how many different combo's, even tried the Wardcliff coil thingy where it doesn't have the 60% reduction when x3 threadcutter is running, ran with Gjaller, lasting impression rockets, all manner of things

[Vokun Vulon]

side note, we actually got the farthest with TC Lament and the RL by also only using the x2 threadcutter trick, which let us limit the ads on the field down to the occasionally spawning thralls, albeit at a lower damage output, but it let us play it a lot safer (this was initially just as an idea to see if we'd actually be better off this way, which clearly worked given the progress vs the other runs) but none of that mattered after a bullsh*t attack of hers ignored the cover entirely and got one of us, only for her to then clap me with 1 single projectile of viscous light that shouldnt have even hit me cuz it was 2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ meters away from me, and i was the one left alive with a res token, the other having been used earlier after one of her other attacks also said "♥♥♥♥ you" to someones cover (the other token left was on the dead guy)

[R A Z E R]

Originally posted by Vokun Vulon:

our best run was with me keeping the weaken on her from TC whilst 1 pal used lament on her and another used a RL, for the record, and no I would clearly not use it if I were running it solo, but I haven't ran it solo yet because I don't play D2 to play on my own, I got other crap for that.
It has been suggested, given how the run went with TC, Lament and the RL, that when I have the will to try it again my main friend will join me and see how TC and Lament goes, but I don't think it needed to be said that we have tried god knows how many different combo's, even tried the Wardcliff coil thingy where it doesn't have the 60% reduction when x3 threadcutter is running, ran with Gjaller, lasting impression rockets, all manner of things

For one, i would highly advice you or anyone to not use lament in that fight. Especially on legendary where she barely let's you breath between her spamming non stop supers. Lament is bugged for some reason, it doesn't do the damage it should do.. Also, i wouldn't use a sword in general in there because there are better options.. Don't fight her up-close, use the provided cover in the map and keep damaging her until the fight is over.

[Leto]

the problem is not that it's harder, it's that randoms from the lfg keep dying like they are in the crucible.

[Flustershy]

Bro, It is not that hard, In solo or in group.

If you play in group the difficulty gets adjusted as it should be.
Running tier 8-9 resilience and the seasonal solar/arc protection mod is more than enough to live savathuns worst hit, Being the arc one.

As for weapons, Anything RANGED ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ works, Do not go melee on the boss with slow travel projectiles.
I used travelers chosen and palmyra B.
My friend used outbreak perfected + funnelweb
And the 3rd guy used exclusively Point of the stag.

None of these weapons are hardcore meta ♥♥♥♥, we used guns we like, and killed the boss because she is WEAK and SLOW

The fight is not hard, there is plenty of cover wherever you go, And if you play titan or have a titan in group with tier 8-9 resilience you have permanent barrier uptime, add bastion on top and all of you will be 100% fine.

Savathun telegraphs her moves like an anime character yelling their moves out loud.
And all her skills are laughably easy to dodge.

Novabomb pushes you away so you don't even need to bother moving even if it lands next to you.
Solar blades have MINIMAL track once their course is set, So you can stand still during the animation and move an inch or 2 when they start moving and dodge the whole barrage.

The only real danger is the arc burst she does, IF you were in the open taking it all to the face.
Titans can block it every time with barricades, even rally ones, Hunters turn invisible and can go make tea.
And warlocks can either use Blink or Dash to 100% dodge anything savathun ever shoots at you.

Also here is a super secret pro gamer tip.
If you fast peek savathun from behind a corner and use things like bows, She cannot attack anyone. If you are the closest target to savathun, and keep fast peeking her from a corner, She will animation cancel herself and your team can just do dmg the entire time.

it might get fixed in future patch, but it last I checked, it worked about 4 hours ago with me and my friends, Though you really do not need it if you are playing any of the 3 classes in this game.

The only thing you ''need'' to worry about is the adds she summons, Again which are not an issue, Because void 3.0 Is super ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ strong especially if you use seasonal mods that affect suppress for example.

But lets say you don't want to run Void 3.0 ok sure no problem.
Stasis excels in CC so you can make the adds non threat within seconds, And you win as savathun is incapable of killing guardians.
Solar also works, Hunters can easily use mid tree solar to kill all the adds fast and the wizards happen to have solar shield so no biggie, Solar mid warlocks also have permanent rift, so using exotics like Stag makes your hole team immune to savathun

Arc is the only subclass that might have issues in the fight, But its not impossible with arc either, Cuiras works wonders against savathun just like any other boss.
And chaos reach is chaos reach which once again, Also works against savathun.

So unless you are running a 3 man stack or arc hunters with swords who cant move, or dodge, or jump.
There is no issue you kill the wizards, do dmg to savathun. repeat 1-5 times and you are set.