Why do people want Vex Mythoclast nerfed?

[StickNardoragon]

I don't understand. The gun seems like a mediocre precision frame auto rifle.
Palindrome and Ace of Spades still kill considerably faster than Vex, and at longer ranges.
Why do people want Vex nerfed?

[Chickenhead]

vex is only good because of particle, after this season it wont be as strong. dumb to nerf a gun and not a seasonal mod.

[Mez Koo]

Chickenhead eredeti hozzászólása:

vex is only good because of particle, after this season it wont be as strong. dumb to nerf a gun and not a seasonal mod.

That mod doesn't work in PvP.

[Chickenhead]

Anti Homeless Rock eredeti hozzászólása:

tbf it's kinda silly in pvp, three stacks when you kill a Guardian, the catalyst give it effectively Rampage, bonus stability, and makes it more accurate, making follow up kills even easier, 100 aa. It has everything going for it, with its drawback being an exotic
Just a bit silly.
It's fine in pve though

getting a kill with ace and then being able to 2 or 3 shot guardians with potential aoe on kill isnt good though?

[Emurinus]

hemddd eredeti hozzászólása:

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

3M kills on vex,so if most ppl like u said aint the elite,then vex rly grant free kills.its funny that no matter what fps game i am in i never see a community sayin ar is a gun for noob except here

Vex doesn't grant 'free kills'. also not sure what you're 3m number refers to? Vex has 1.2m kills in Trials this weekend so far, handcannons have 6.6m, pulse rifles 4.5m, shotguns 5m, snipers 4m, scouts 2m, so Vex is way behind all of those. overall there has been 29 million kills in Trials, and Vex only accounts for 1.2m of those.

To play Devil's Advocate here, comparing one specific weapon to entire weapon types isn't that fair. It'd be better to compare it to individual weapons, in which, weapons like Messenger and Adept Palindrome have a higher body count than Vex.

[Chariot]

It's pretty hilarious how some people complain so badly about vex mythoclast being overpowered, but they're the ones who are just horrid at combating what is essentially an auto rifle with no strings attached, the same way you can combat a 360 RPM auto rifle is the same way you combat vex mythoclast, it is literally no different from that besides being able to turn into a linear fusion, TL;DR, just get good, and that's coming from someone who isn't even good at PVP lol

The trials or iron banner SMG, or even any SMG in general can make short work of mythoclast users, Just play around their disadvantage, that it's an auto rifle and struggles in close quarters against an SMG, And anywhere else, use a hand cannon, or the same archetype of auto rifle, Outgun them first, People are just not used to going up against 360 auto rifles because of how uncommon they are in crucible, despite being pretty good.

[keysy]

Bungie wants, and some cry pvp babies.
There's no reasonoble logic behind that. Bungo sees that it is a most used gun, so bungo nerfes it.

Without particle deconstuction mod it is a slightly better autorifle in the EXOTIC slot. After that season it will be dumped to be a fusion bounty maker. (But ok, at least still be useful, not like whisper, izanagi, and other ded exotics.)

Next season there will be another buff mod (hand cannons ex) and it will be meta for a season, and bungo again nerf something in that pool (Ariana's Vow, because it has +40% buff from that seasonel mod). Eah, hard logic by "devs".

[Rankless]

Emurinus eredeti hozzászólása:

hemddd eredeti hozzászólása:

Vex doesn't grant 'free kills'. also not sure what you're 3m number refers to? Vex has 1.2m kills in Trials this weekend so far, handcannons have 6.6m, pulse rifles 4.5m, shotguns 5m, snipers 4m, scouts 2m, so Vex is way behind all of those. overall there has been 29 million kills in Trials, and Vex only accounts for 1.2m of those.

To play Devil's Advocate here, comparing one specific weapon to entire weapon types isn't that fair. It'd be better to compare it to individual weapons, in which, weapons like Messenger and Adept Palindrome have a higher body count than Vex.

he never understand that unfortunately,from the tracker i sent u can see vex almost got the highest kills in every single week,and he is using the kills of all handcannons to compare with vex lol

[Rankless]

hemddd eredeti hozzászólása:

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

u are comparing one single vex with a bunch of handcannons and pulse?pol are using ace,thorn,dire promise,palindrome,and even crimson,no one ever does comparison in this way dude,one weapon compare to one weapon,not a whole weapon type,the highest number in kills by vex while hving a rly low number of kills in ar and fusion further proves vex totally outperform other weapon in the same type,even its a fusion its just like a 350 auto,i kbow it got higher rpm but basically its sth like that,so its just an ar,u can go on and just using the weapons kills sumed up by supers,grenade ,ability,and even die from falling to compare, u think u are smart but all we know is vex totally outperform orhers,its an ar but bungo name it a fusion,thats all

you literally have no idea what you are talking about, and I'm getting bored of repeating myself. if you wanna keep crying about Vex, knock yourself out, it still doesn't outperform handcannons, no matter how much you think it does and any good player will confirm to you the same

no idea what i am talkin about huh,funny how that works,u are comparing one weapon to a whole weapon type,proves that how pointless yr point is and how desperate u are to prove vex aint op,vex is op,it grant free kills,that why its being an exotic and a damn raid exotic with a baffling rng,it should be op and right now the state of it is perfectly,i wont cry about vex is op because those ppl who got grinded a hell of vog ,they deserve it,gettin more advantage in pvp is totally fair and yet u r the one sayin vex is not op and u are somehow ok with the nerf,why u hate vex so much,and with great denial

[Chariot]

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

hemddd eredeti hozzászólása:

you literally have no idea what you are talking about, and I'm getting bored of repeating myself. if you wanna keep crying about Vex, knock yourself out, it still doesn't outperform handcannons, no matter how much you think it does and any good player will confirm to you the same

no idea what i am talkin about huh,funny how that works,u are comparing one weapon to a whole weapon type,proves that how pointless yr point is and how desperate u are to prove vex aint op,vex is op,it grant free kills,that why its being an exotic and a damn raid exotic with a baffling rng,it should be op and right now the state of it is perfectly,i wont cry about vex is op because those ppl who got grinded a hell of vog ,they deserve it,gettin more advantage in pvp is totally fair and yet u r the one sayin vex is not op and u are somehow ok with the nerf,why u hate vex so much,and with great denial

How does it grant free kills more than something like ace or lorentz? im legitimately confused how pointing and clicking and tracking on someone like you do with a normal auto grants you free kills

[Gimme Dat BacØnatØr]

lastbreath eredeti hozzászólása:

Solgaleo eredeti hozzászólása:

But for PVP, It's still a very strong weapon

Ah, here we go again... Another good weapon must be crucified because of PvP... I'm so tired of this shіt...

EXACTLY! It's so easy for someone to call for a nerf of a weapon, especially ones who don't have it. It's not like every single MFer has one either. A lot of people I talk to had to put in a crap ton of game play hours just to get their hands on one. IFrostbolt did like 50+ runs, think it was like 54, before he got his. To even contemplate nerfing a weapon like this, with all of that in mind is beyond comprehension.

But...they did it to Anarchy and that wasn't even used for PVP. You guys are going to wake up and realize one day that Bungie really doesn't give a kcuf about what we want, nor do they respect our time. They just go on making the decisions THEY want and could care less how we feel about it. Look no further than Sunsetting. They made obsolete stuff we had worked for because of ridiculous reasons like power creep and such. Then they double disrespected us by re-releasing some of those same weapons in another patch. That's a MF slap in the face if you ask me. Hell, the only reason they didn't go thru with it because the community as a whole rose up against it.

We need to do the same thing with this RNG system they have too. Ain't not way it's RNG either. Across 2 characters this week, I did Presage, Harbinger, Exo Challenge, 100K Nightfall, Strikes x 3, Gambit x 3, Shattered Realm x 4 champions, Haunted Lost Sectors. That's 16 Pinnacles. Out of those 16 Pinnacles, 12 of them were for slots I did not need an upgrade for and 8 of those 12 were for the same slot. Tell me how that works.

[fcuk human rcae]

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

Solgaleo eredeti hozzászólása:

Like OP said, Ace of spades is strong too, Lorentz is aswell, Vex mythoclast is a good gun but nerfing it would be overkill, it's fine where it's at.

with such a rare drop,bungo just expect ppl stop running vog ?

every crucible match 5/6 are running it how its rare?
and yes its busted it needs nerf,

[9ball]

So much flaw in this chat, people comparing easier obtainable legendary weapon kill counts to vex as if everyone can obtain vex the same way, trying to solidify that it isn't "overpowered" because trial kill counts with it are lower than other weapons, which literally makes like no sense based on the difficulty & rng required to get the weapon in the first place. Not really sure why people are comparing a 0.6% owned weapon (according to Charlemagne database) (for reference 24% on light.gg) with something like the messenger with over 50% of guardians (light.gg registered users) owning it.
Not only this but I'm reading that people seem to think the mod from the artifact works in pvp?? no lol it doesn't, the ttk of vex is very normal with around a .77 with 5 head and 1 body or a 1.23 with all body. I believe this gun is very strong though, the ttk's of this weapon is average, but the weapons aim assist & flinch / range are quite powerful in my opinion. Also people ranting on about how the weapon can't be nerfed because it'll ruin it in PVE though they can literally edit the damage based on where it is being used. I know they've done this in the past with specific weapons / archetypes.

Oh yeah, keep in mind the VEX HAS 100 AIM ASSIST totally not busted

[9ball]

Solgaleo eredeti hozzászólása:

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

no idea what i am talkin about huh,funny how that works,u are comparing one weapon to a whole weapon type,proves that how pointless yr point is and how desperate u are to prove vex aint op,vex is op,it grant free kills,that why its being an exotic and a damn raid exotic with a baffling rng,it should be op and right now the state of it is perfectly,i wont cry about vex is op because those ppl who got grinded a hell of vog ,they deserve it,gettin more advantage in pvp is totally fair and yet u r the one sayin vex is not op and u are somehow ok with the nerf,why u hate vex so much,and with great denial

How does it grant free kills more than something like ace or lorentz? im legitimately confused how pointing and clicking and tracking on someone like you do with a normal auto grants you free kills

100 aim assist, for reference dire promise has 87 and spare rations has 92

[Chariot]

9ball eredeti hozzászólása:

So much flaw in this chat, people comparing easier obtainable legendary weapon kill counts to vex as if everyone can obtain vex the same way, trying to solidify that it isn't "overpowered" because trial kill counts with it are lower than other weapons, which literally makes like no sense based on the difficulty & rng required to get the weapon in the first place. Not really sure why people are comparing a 0.6% owned weapon (according to Charlemagne database) (for reference 24% on light.gg) with something like the messenger with over 50% of guardians (light.gg registered users) owning it.
Not only this but I'm reading that people seem to think the mod from the artifact works in pvp?? no lol it doesn't, the ttk of vex is very normal with around a .77 with 5 head and 1 body or a 1.23 with all body. I believe this gun is very strong though, the ttk's of this weapon is average, but the weapons aim assist & flinch / range are quite powerful in my opinion. Also people ranting on about how the weapon can't be nerfed because it'll ruin it in PVE though they can literally edit the damage based on where it is being used. I know they've done this in the past with specific weapons / archetypes.

Oh yeah, keep in mind the VEX HAS 100 AIM ASSIST totally not busted

Do you even realize that Vex is basically no different from 360's of its archetype, Along with the fact that there's better weapons, like Ace of spades, again, which can easily duel against vex, And then if successful, have an even better time dueling the next person?

By the way, If you really hate vex users, Just pop on a trace rifle, It's literally vex's biggest counter right now, Vex relies on having people not use cover, Which again, literally any auto rifles biggest downside, Just keep cover and peakshot and you can kill any auto rifle user with almost zero trouble, Trace rifles are easier to use than vex, and can at times guarantee a kill against a vex user, but people are too busy complaining about it rather than using their brains to use a counter.

And it's interesting how so many people have an issue with vex mythoclast, But something like eyes of tomorrow is never even talked about, despite being one of the most powerful power weapons against players ever seen in destiny, It's a nightmare to go against in any PVP mode, Lorentz driver is basically a free exotic that gifts you headshots with AOE damage for free, and yet people still complain about a primary weapon that can be countered, just like every other gun.

Forgive me for being a little flame-y here, Just that people complain about a gun that really isn't that problematic.

[fwwm]

Emurinus eredeti hozzászólása:

hemddd eredeti hozzászólása:

Vex doesn't grant 'free kills'. also not sure what you're 3m number refers to? Vex has 1.2m kills in Trials this weekend so far, handcannons have 6.6m, pulse rifles 4.5m, shotguns 5m, snipers 4m, scouts 2m, so Vex is way behind all of those. overall there has been 29 million kills in Trials, and Vex only accounts for 1.2m of those.

To play Devil's Advocate here, comparing one specific weapon to entire weapon types isn't that fair. It'd be better to compare it to individual weapons, in which, weapons like Messenger and Adept Palindrome have a higher body count than Vex.

it's fair in the sense that Vex is the only weapon of it's archetype, so we're comparing the strengths of one archetype against another. if you want to argue that Vex is an auto rifle, auto's still lag pitifully behind handcannon usage. the whole point of the comparison is that other weapon types outperform Vex, and Vex isn't as overpowered as people think. Handcannons are just superior because of their high burst damage, meaning they are better for team shots, they can peak shoot, they have better utility in the air, Vex can't equip icarus grip, etc, etc.

Rankless eredeti hozzászólása:

Emurinus eredeti hozzászólása:

To play Devil's Advocate here, comparing one specific weapon to entire weapon types isn't that fair. It'd be better to compare it to individual weapons, in which, weapons like Messenger and Adept Palindrome have a higher body count than Vex.

he never understand that unfortunately,from the tracker i sent u can see vex almost got the highest kills in every single week,and he is using the kills of all handcannons to compare with vex lol

'from the tracker' I can see you have a 0.14 k/d so maybe you're not in the best position to talk about balance in crucible when every weapon, not jusy Vex, would seem scary to you