Best sword alternative to lament?

[dragon864789]

so what is the best sword alternative to lament in doing damage? is it really just crownsplitter? and if i only use energy accelerant with it, would it still be a better option then lament?

[Mister Wiggles]

Crown splitter will only do the damage that it's doing for this season, the artifact mod will go away at the end of the season then it will be more in line with other swords.

Guillotine will likely still be best all round at that point, lament is great if you can use it properly.

[R A Z E R]

If you play titan, just take crownsplitter.. Other classes just stick with falling guillotine (Or maybe the warlock class based sword).

[dragon864789]

Postat inițial de R A Z E R:

If you play titan, just take crownsplitter.. Other classes just stick with falling guillotine (Or maybe the warlock class based sword).

but at the end of this season, the mod goes away?

[dragon864789]

but how does the damages really compare with the best perks on each?

[fwwm]

Black Talon is still arguably the best sword in the game, and hardly anyone uses it. It has higher dps than both Lament and Guillotine, slightly lower than Crownsplitter, but it's charged heavy attack is excellent in both pve and pvp and negates the main weakness of swords

[dragon864789]

Postat inițial de hemddd:

Black Talon is still arguably the best sword in the game, and hardly anyone uses it. It has higher dps than both Lament and Guillotine, slightly lower than Crownsplitter, but it's charged heavy attack is excellent in both pve and pvp and negates the main weakness of swords

explain a bit more?, i love the sword, but dmg is the thing, how much dmg on kalli before wipe?

but negates the main weakness of swords?

[Mez Koo]

Postat inițial de hemddd:

Black Talon is still arguably the best sword in the game, and hardly anyone uses it. It has higher dps than both Lament and Guillotine, slightly lower than Crownsplitter, but it's charged heavy attack is excellent in both pve and pvp and negates the main weakness of swords

Because it's exotic.

[fwwm]

Postat inițial de Mez Koo:

Postat inițial de hemddd:

Black Talon is still arguably the best sword in the game, and hardly anyone uses it. It has higher dps than both Lament and Guillotine, slightly lower than Crownsplitter, but it's charged heavy attack is excellent in both pve and pvp and negates the main weakness of swords

Because it's exotic.

yes and so's lament, what's your point?

Postat inițial de dragon864789:

Postat inițial de hemddd:

Black Talon is still arguably the best sword in the game, and hardly anyone uses it. It has higher dps than both Lament and Guillotine, slightly lower than Crownsplitter, but it's charged heavy attack is excellent in both pve and pvp and negates the main weakness of swords

explain a bit more?, i love the sword, but dmg is the thing, how much dmg on kalli before wipe?

but negates the main weakness of swords?

Black Talon's optimal attack loop (heavy attack x2, light attacks until charged) hits for 19,968 dps

Lament's optimal attack loop (light attack x3, heavy attack) hits for 19,071 dps

these are the numbers as tested on Kalli

the main weakness of swords is that you have to be next to the enemy to damage them normally, Black Talon has a ranged heavy attack, which makes it safe to deal with enemies at higher difficulties. try using Talon on legend/master lost sectors, especially those with void burns, it deletes champions

[dragon864789]

Postat inițial de hemddd:

Black Talon's optimal attack loop (heavy attack x2, light attacks until charged) hits for 19,968 dps

Lament's optimal attack loop (light attack x3, heavy attack) hits for 19,071 dps

these are the numbers as tested on Kalli

you missing a 0 in there? cuz that is kinda low number for both of them

Postat inițial de hemddd:

the main weakness of swords is that you have to be next to the enemy to damage them normally, Black Talon has a ranged heavy attack, which makes it safe to deal with enemies at higher difficulties. try using Talon on legend/master lost sectors, especially those with void burns, it deletes champions

deletes champions huh? got to see it my self, tho im not sure?

[Emurinus]

You have a couple options:

Crown Splitter: With Vorpal Weapon, it's not half bad with taking out tougher enemies, and the fact that it (unintentionally) pairs with Energy Accelerant lets it one-shot pretty much anything and everything below Ultra level. However, this is restricted to just Titans and losing E.A. at the end of the season will probably take it down to above average.

Falling Guillotine: Relentless Strikes and Whirlwind bland basically let you have ammo and damage for days, and unlike the class swords, you can use it on anyone. After the season ends, this will remain practically uncontested as far as swords go.

Pretty much any other sword (excluding exotics) should do a fair bit of work in their own right, but nothing above average save for Sola's Scar.

[DakotaThrice]

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Postat inițial de Guars:

Falling Guillotine with Jagged Edge, Relentless Strikes and Whirlwind Blade

its not dont alot of damage , unlike crownsplitter And lament?

It depends on whether you need burst or sustained DPS and whether or not you can actually time back to back Lament combos correctly.

Lament came out on top for Atraks as you only had time for a single combo and as such you benefited from the frontloaded burst damage and it's because of this that most people never learned to properly chain combos.

For Riven cheese on the other hand a god roll Guillotine will consistently outperform Lament for most users. The burst can be helpful if you have to teleport over to the other room due to possibly having less time but if you get Riven on your starting side then your timing with Lament has to be perfect to outperform Guillotine. As soon as that first combo is complete though most people end up standing there scratching their head wondering when to start attacking again as their only prior experience with Lament is either bursting down Atraks or bursting down champions.

Crownsplitter is obviously only relevant if you're playing a Titan.

At the end of the day whilst there is a difference it's not really significcant enough to matter for most content where you'll actually be running a sword. Pick whichever one best suits you whether that be based on frame type, element or even just looks.