could cayde be resurrect?

[WanderVtuber]

could cayde be resurrect since he is an exo and since he is one wouldnt he have a back up body or mind?

sorry i dont know that much on the exo race or lore sorry

[Dante Ironclaw]

Ghost explains it further on.

We could technically get a Cayde back, but it wouldnt be the same Cayde, he wouldnt have any of the memories or skills gained from anything that happened after his mind was scanned/uploaded, and he wouldnt have the Light.

[Emurinus]

Theoretically Cayde could come back, but he would never be the same. Whether you just have a standard Exo reset or body change, your memory gets wiped regardless; Clovis Sr. only got away with it because his conscious had a backup (which Cayde doesn't have). Even a ghost resurrection (upon original res) does the same thing.

"Cayde-7" would never be the same as Cayde-6, so the latter is effectively perma-dead.

[不機嫌Lucy]

:(

[Mez Koo]

"Our" Cayde is gone, best we'll get is some random named Cayde or Dark Cayde.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Warthain:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

"Our" Cayde is gone, best we'll get is some random named Cayde or Dark Cayde.

he is cayde-6, if he gets back it will be cayde-7 and a completely diferent character.

Cayde-6 is dead, his body buried. If there is a new exo then it might as well be Cayde-1 and I meant the darkness actually bringing a corrupted Cayde back or infecting the new exo and corrupting it.

[>//The_FALCON]

Originally posted by Emurinus:

Theoretically Cayde could come back, but he would never be the same. Whether you just have a standard Exo reset or body change, your memory gets wiped regardless; Clovis Sr. only got away with it because his conscious had a backup (which Cayde doesn't have). Even a ghost resurrection (upon original res) does the same thing.

"Cayde-7" would never be the same as Cayde-6, so the latter is effectively perma-dead.

we dont know which cayde we knew, he just stopped counting after 6

[Nakos]

Ennh... some of this gets into Spoiler-ish stuff, so read at your own risk.



Conceptually, the Exos aren't really the original people anyway. That's (part of) why they have a number.

There's all sorts of weird stuff going on with them. The original Exo (made from a brain scan of the original person) will always contain the best impression of the memories of the flesh-and-blood person.

But it's not perfect. They're constructs.

Clovis Bray had an agenda which he didn't share with the people he was turning into Exos. (Multiple hidden agendas probably). The idea was to preserve consciousness beyond the death of the (original) body. And arguably, he was successful at that ... up to a point. Philosophically, one has to debate whether it's the original person, back as an Exo, or instead, some sort of "carbon-copy", mostly the same, having mostly the same memories, perhaps even thinking of itself as a continuation of the previous person, but ... still not really the original.

The Braytech process isn't perfect. The early Exo subjects tended to experience gradual mental breakdowns. That's at least one of the reasons why they did the resets. The resets "blur" the memories. The idea being that you reset the Exo repeatedly, until the memories of their previous lives are "blurred" enough that they don't cause mental degradation.

(The element that the Exos themselves hang onto is the idea that even if their memories fade, their personalities remain the same. We don't actually know if that's really true, but we do know that all/most of the Exos believe that it is true. It's a core belief, even if it's wrong).

But ... there's still some suspicious stuff going on. A key example being that multiple Exos we know of had the SAME memory. Was that an accident? Was it caused by overlapping memory files? Was that memory one that was intentionally inserted into the Exos as cover for parts of Clovis Bray's hidden agendas? (We know they had some personality modification protocols).

Or ... was it just damage to the equipment? They were being constantly attacked by the Vex at that point.


As for Cayde-6 ... he had a Ghost. He had "magic Traveler tech" that could restore him to life/health in the event of damage. The Ghosts reset everything. If Cayde-6 dies, and his Ghost brings him back, he doesn't become Cayde-7, he's still Cayde-6. If Cayde-6 dies, and Braytech brings him back (assuming they still have copies of his memories/personality) THEN he'd be Cayde-7.

But regardless, Cayde-6 dies as part of a plot. His Ghost dies as part of a plot. He's dead. Unless of course (as Mez Koo mentioned) they choose to bring him back as "dark Cayde".

However ... THAT would likely depend on whether or not they could talk Nathan Fillion into reprising the role. (Because without Nathan Fillion, it ain't Cayde, regardless of what the plot and/or story calls for).

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Clovis Bray had an agenda which he didn't share with the people he was turning into Exos. (Multiple hidden agendas probably). The idea was to preserve consciousness beyond the death of the (original) body. And arguably, he was successful at that ... up to a point. Philosophically, one has to debate whether it's the original person, back as an Exo, or instead, some sort of "carbon-copy", mostly the same, having mostly the same memories, perhaps even thinking of itself as a continuation of the previous person, but ... still not really the original.

They're all copies but the prototype exos were just machines with memories, they didn't have an active human consciousness with constant "noise" that living beings have to always think about whether consciously or not so the machines kind of just "existed" and weren't "living." The later exos solved this problem with special juice that is explained in the Clovis journal and the raid and said juice gave the new exo minds that "noise" needed to actively stimulate a real consciousness so the later/new exos might as well have been the "real" version of the person that was copied.

Originally posted by Nakos:

The Braytech process isn't perfect. The early Exo subjects tended to experience gradual mental breakdowns. That's at least one of the reasons why they did the resets. The resets "blur" the memories. The idea being that you reset the Exo repeatedly, until the memories of their previous lives are "blurred" enough that they don't cause mental degradation.

The first problem was that if you stick a human mind into a construct that doesn't breathe, eat, or have a heart beat then the mind will freak out and think that you're in a dead body or that you should be dead. Even after solving that issue by giving them normal human functions to make the mind feel like they're in a living body the mind will still begin to catch onto the fact that its a machine and not "living" so the resets according to Clovis were to reset the mind make it forget about that subconscious realization. Guardians probably don't need to be reset because they were "born" into the exo body and the light is probably acting as a replacement for the special juice assuming it dried up when the original body died.

[Nakos]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

They're all copies but the prototype exos were just machines with memories, they didn't have an active human consciousness with constant "noise" that living beings have to always think about whether consciously or not so the machines kind of just "existed" and weren't "living." The later exos solved this problem with special juice that is explained in the Clovis journal and the raid and said juice gave the new exo minds that "noise" needed to actively stimulate a real consciousness so the later/new exos might as well have been the "real" version of the person that was copied.

Hmm... makes me think of the Vex. The Vex are supposed to be the fluid IN the bodies. Not the bodies themselves. I wonder if Clovis Bray repurposed some of the Vex fluid.

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Guardians probably don't need to be reset because they were "born" into the exo body and the light is probably acting as a replacement for the special juice assuming it dried up when the original body died.

Yeah, that makes certain amount of sense.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Nakos:

Hmm... makes me think of the Vex. The Vex are supposed to be the fluid IN the bodies. Not the bodies themselves. I wonder if Clovis Bray repurposed some of the Vex fluid.

Yeah, its interesting that you bring up the Vex. ;-)