THIS is why raids should never have matchmaking.

[Zoomii]

So we've got a new Contact boss this week with some pretty easy mechanics that blueberries are having trouble figuring out. The game literally tells you on the side of the screen to draw the shields together to damage the Taken Howler. Despite this I've seen people trying to shoot the Howler to bring it's shield down while ignoring the Knight, as well as people leading the knight away from the Howler. It would be understandable if the game didn't tell you what to do, but it does and people still have no clue what's happening. These blueberries that are having trouble with these mechanics are the same people who ask for raid matchmaking and get mad when we say no. They can't even handle simple mechanics that the game explicitly explains, so how do they think they'll stand a chance in a raid?

[Fox]

how the hell do i upvote a post i feel this 100%

[Mez Koo]

First week on corrupted strike tier 2 ordeal was enough to show anyone how raid match making would go. No one brings champion mods and no one knows the orb mechanic.

[Tasso]

Originally posted by Zoomii:

So we've got a new Contact boss this week with some pretty easy mechanics that blueberries are having trouble figuring out. The game literally tells you on the side of the screen to draw the shields together to damage the Taken Howler. Despite this I've seen people trying to shoot the Howler to bring it's shield down while ignoring the Knight, as well as people leading the knight away from the Howler. It would be understandable if the game didn't tell you what to do, but it does and people still have no clue what's happening. These blueberries that are having trouble with these mechanics are the same people who ask for raid matchmaking and get mad when we say no. They can't even handle simple mechanics that the game explicitly explains, so how do they think they'll stand a chance in a raid?

just play a reckoning tier 2 or 3 with the in game matchmaking and tell me if u can get it done lmao... The people who run dual primaries, useless exotics, trash gear are the same people that ask for matchmade raids.

[Illusive Soul]

Playing this game raid or some stupid mechanic mode is like throwing someone on maze,the things are not hard,but its clueless,if people saying player lazy to find guide,i would say Bungi lazy to make a clear ingame leading guide like other game did.

[The_Mess]

Well, after the 1st go those who stuck around worked out the mechanism. Unfortunately it can be a bit hard to draw aggro when someone else is firing off AoE attacks, but at least this season's swords make short work of the boss.

Also, similar problem happens in Nightfalls at hero difficulty, there's always one player not using mods or exotics to break champions so I always carry the right stuff to fill in the gaps. At least this week's Nigthfall's end boss is easy if 2 players cheese him with those swords.

[Axo]

Matchmaking raids should be like menagerie, toned down mechanics, where you can't really "fail" the dungeon, and events are timer based, either you clear event xyz in said time and get a reward, or no loot, also the boss chest at the end should reflect how many events you cleared throughout the dungeon, you fail every event, loot will be diminished.

That way everyone gets to see them, but only the "good ones" get the gear from the encounters.

[FAArscape]

Originally posted by Vaatihastur:

Originally posted by Zoomii:

So we've got a new Contact boss this week with some pretty easy mechanics that blueberries are having trouble figuring out. The game literally tells you on the side of the screen to draw the shields together to damage the Taken Howler. Despite this I've seen people trying to shoot the Howler to bring it's shield down while ignoring the Knight, as well as people leading the knight away from the Howler. It would be understandable if the game didn't tell you what to do, but it does and people still have no clue what's happening. These blueberries that are having trouble with these mechanics are the same people who ask for raid matchmaking and get mad when we say no. They can't even handle simple mechanics that the game explicitly explains, so how do they think they'll stand a chance in a raid?

Don't play matchmaked then? And let blueberries have access to Matchmaking.

That's the thing...why not have BOTH??
I mean, if a player never get's a chance to try, for reasons...how can the player EVER learn?

And why does some ppl feel like a matchmaked activity takes anything way from them..??

The elitism of some players are really annoying...
I mean, not everyone 'lives' the games (I'm speaking about games in general here)...in huge clans of friends.....or living in the LFG-forums...

[s0laris]

Originally posted by FAArscape:

Originally posted by Vaatihastur:

Don't play matchmaked then? And let blueberries have access to Matchmaking.

That's the thing...why not have BOTH??
I mean, if a player never get's a chance to try, for reasons...how can the player EVER learn?

And why does some ppl feel like a matchmaked activity takes anything way from them..??

The elitism of some players are really annoying...
I mean, not everyone 'lives' the games (I'm speaking about games in general here)...in huge clans of friends.....or living in the LFG-forums...

But there is matchmaking called guided raid. Why you not using it?

[Reaper King]

Honestly I was all for having match making for raids only a few weeks ago. Then lats week I finally got a group of friends together and did a few raids. I get it now. Raids are the peak evolution of destiny. Every single part of them has a unique twist to the encounter. whether that be a sparrow race, or a stage where you have to coordinate and communicate one teamates directs you while looking at a map. To do raids you need communication, A chill atmoshpere, and patience. I was a noob and didn't help much but my group was easily able to guide me through the raids. How ever, a group of randos couldn't make it work as no verteran raider would ever use the matchmaker. This leaves only the noobs. Good luck tyring to figures a raid out with randos. You think this weeks encounter is hard lol at least there they tell you what to do which doesn't ever happen in raids or dungeons. No I'm sorry but if you want to do a raid or a dungeon your going to have to find a group outside of the game.

[Milkshaker]

Originally posted by FAArscape:

That's the thing...why not have BOTH?? [...]
The elitism of some players are really annoying...

100% this.

TL;DR>
It's perfectly possible to add matchmaking without forcing you to play with fails.
Lack of Raid / Nightfall matchmaking is 100% lazy developer behaviour of Bungie.

--- Here's why: ---

Destiny uses both Server-based and Peer-to-Peer technology.
On either technology, I've seen games that do a better job of Matchmaking than Bungie, for example Payday2 (P2P) or Killing Floor 2 (server-based).

Both these games offer to play Offline (solo), Private / Friends only, OR public.
Guess what: IT WORKS.
You just check people's profiles in the lobby and decide "do I want to attempt this mission with these guys."

Bungie simply decided to not offer this.
"We outsource this to our players. Use our forums."
It is beyond me how console players accepted this. On PC, ok i sit at a keyboard, forums are at least more accessible, but when I sit on the sofa in front of my TV, I just want to play and not spend my time negotiationg thru forums trying to find 3 to 6 people for some activity...

I mean, I understand the frustration of veteran players... We've all experienced blueberries who couldn't trigger a Heroic Event if their life depended on it.

BUT feelings and bad experiences are not universal truths.

Those "toxic" blueberries aren't bad cause they're new, they're bad cause they don't care. But it was Bungie's decision to bring thousands of Dont-Care-Players into the game by making it free-to-play, instead of using free weekend on Steam Launch / Xmas to promote.

Destiny is designed as a complex game (sometimes even overcomplicated).
It is TERRIBLE MANAGEMENT to throw in a huge crowd of uncommited people into such a game, who will inevitably fail the complexity and ruin it for the existing fanbase.

But even then, with matchmaking, it's easy for vets to check for good and bad blueberries, by looking at loadout, and number of completed Heroic Events, Nightfalls etc.

[Tasso]

Originally posted by Vaatihastur:

Originally posted by Reaper King:

Honestly I was all for having match making for raids only a few weeks ago. Then lats week I finally got a group of friends together and did a few raids. I get it now. Raids are the peak evolution of destiny. Every single part of them has a unique twist to the encounter. whether that be a sparrow race, or a stage where you have to coordinate and communicate one teamates directs you while looking at a map. To do raids you need communication, A chill atmoshpere, and patience. I was a noob and didn't help much but my group was easily able to guide me through the raids. How ever, a group of randos couldn't make it work as no verteran raider would ever use the matchmaker. This leaves only the noobs. Good luck tyring to figures a raid out with randos. You think this weeks encounter is hard lol at least there they tell you what to do which doesn't ever happen in raids or dungeons. No I'm sorry but if you want to do a raid or a dungeon your going to have to find a group outside of the game.

Ok. Let blueberries run around as fools in matchmaking. Can't see the problem. Don't join them. Edit: They can even add a warning label; "Warning! This activity is best enjoyed in a fireteam and you will most likely fail if you don't."
Problem solved.

then blueberries will complain OH its to hard. and spam reddit and their twitter. How about avoid matchmaking in raids and end game activites all together.

[Tasso]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556904684577751090/725333924590518322/unknown.png hey look at that D2 pc lfg exists and bungie.net group finder. If they cant join and post in one of these services, then they are simply not capable of completing a raid even with a matchmade group.

[Reaper King]

Honestly I didn't succeed in finding a group to do raids with until I really was actively ready to go and raid. Then all it took was for me to scroll through the d2 steam lfg pages add a few people, then add then on discord and next thing you know I have a group to play d2 with and do raids. Its not hard if you actually try.

[s0laris]

Originally posted by Milkshaker:

I mean, I understand the frustration of veteran players...

No, you do not. Your raid completions equals zero. That means you have not the slightest clue how a raid works otherwise you wouldnt ask for matchmaking.

Anyway, theres guided raid for Scourge, Last Wish and Garden. It sort of works like matchmaking. Why you dont use it?

[VallejoM]

Get over yourself.