LFG Discord and GoS fails this season

[zOldBulldog]

In previous seasons it was challenging but not frustrating to do the weekly GoS raid. I could do it with my clan if our schedules coincided or I could go to the Destiny 2 PC LFG discord and find a random team to do it with. It sometimes took a couple tries but it was virtually always a success.

This season I find that players from the LFG discord consistently fail the final boss encounter.

What changed?

Did Bungle make another mistake or is this an intentional move by Bungie to gradually kill PvE to make the game more PvP oriented?

If a mistake, is has anybody heard of an upcoming correction?

[Warmanreaper]

How does people failing the final boss rely on bungie making a change, maybe it's just dumb players .-.

[zOldBulldog]

引用自 Warmanreaper：

How does people failing the final boss rely on bungie making a change, maybe it's just dumb players .-.

Because it didn't happen much in previous seasons and it happens all the time this season.

Something had to change. Either the final encounter became harder somehow or Bungle scared the good players away and now there are far more new/dumb players trying to do raids than before.

Simple logic.

The real problem is that it makes raids - the endgame - much less playable. Whatever the cause, if the trend continues it could ruin the endgame for the vast majority of players. That could kill a game like Destiny. Better to look at the issue now when it is fresh than wait for it to be a crisis.

[Fox]

The "change" you're talking about is what most games do now adays where they change damage values or in this case they removed izanagi's luna faction reload speed because it did so much damage so now you shoot off less shots

[Celestant]

You're failing the boss because your teammates and/or you do not have the correct gear to deal enough damage to the boss. You're also failing because you and/or your teammates aren't doing it properly.

[zOldBulldog]

引用自 Foxxo：

The "change" you're talking about is what most games do now adays where they change damage values or in this case they removed izanagi's luna faction reload speed because it did so much damage so now you shoot off less shots

This is probably a big part of it.

Although I fear/suspect that the other part is more (and dumber) percentage of beginners due to more experienced players bailing in response to the massive Disconnects and bad content of this season. The last match I played through the Destiny PC LFG discord had two beginners and while I was able to get one of them (who came with me on mote runs) up to snuff after a couple of attempts, the other one never got up to par until he thankfully rage-quit and got replaced.

[erdelf]

People still use the old tactics with Izanagi.. and well, that is suboptimal. 1k voices, Xenophage, Whisper are all better choices.
Hell just yesterday I ran a sherpa run for GoS and with 3 new people easily made the boss in a few tries.

[s0laris]

引用自 zOldBulldog：

引用自 Foxxo：

The "change" you're talking about is what most games do now adays where they change damage values or in this case they removed izanagi's luna faction reload speed because it did so much damage so now you shoot off less shots

This is probably a big part of it.

Although I fear/suspect that the other part is more (and dumber) percentage of beginners due to more experienced players bailing in response to the massive Disconnects and bad content of this season. The last match I played through the Destiny PC LFG discord had two beginners and while I was able to get one of them (who came with me on mote runs) up to snuff after a couple of attempts, the other one never got up to par until he thankfully rage-quit and got replaced.

Its the Izanagi nerf. People didnt get dumber. Previously it didnt matter what gear you got, what class you played, you needed to make sure everyone got Izanagi with cata and have a well and a bubble. That was comfortable 2 phase. Now you need some thoughts put into what you use. You need Divinity+Xenophage. Xenophage was a curiosity because people classified it as a gambit weapon and many didnt get it. Divinity drops from GoS. Enhanced relay defender also drops from GoS. Team comp can now influence the damage. It is not wise to put your only bubble and well into the tether team etc.

The whole raid got more complicated, it is usually 3 phase Sol Inherent and even there you sometimes need to run for your money if you brought 2-3 newbs.

[Cosmic]

Try using Bungies fireteam finder on their website most randoms that i get do half decent

[zOldBulldog]

引用自 s0laris：

引用自 zOldBulldog：

This is probably a big part of it.

Although I fear/suspect that the other part is more (and dumber) percentage of beginners due to more experienced players bailing in response to the massive Disconnects and bad content of this season. The last match I played through the Destiny PC LFG discord had two beginners and while I was able to get one of them (who came with me on mote runs) up to snuff after a couple of attempts, the other one never got up to par until he thankfully rage-quit and got replaced.

Its the Izanagi nerf. People didnt get dumber. Previously it didnt matter what gear you got, what class you played, you needed to make sure everyone got Izanagi with cata and have a well and a bubble. That was comfortable 2 phase. Now you need some thoughts put into what you use. You need Divinity+Xenophage. Xenophage was a curiosity because people classified it as a gambit weapon and many didnt get it. Divinity drops from GoS. Enhanced relay defender also drops from GoS. Team comp can now influence the damage. It is not wise to put your only bubble and well into the tether team etc.

The whole raid got more complicated, it is usually 3 phase Sol Inherent and even there you sometimes need to run for your money if you brought 2-3 newbs.

That makes sense. During my last run they did have Whispers and xenophage, but no divininity and I only saw the hunter tether go up once, so the Xenophage were not getting their crits.

[Emil]

引用自 zOldBulldog：

引用自 s0laris：

Its the Izanagi nerf. People didnt get dumber. Previously it didnt matter what gear you got, what class you played, you needed to make sure everyone got Izanagi with cata and have a well and a bubble. That was comfortable 2 phase. Now you need some thoughts put into what you use. You need Divinity+Xenophage. Xenophage was a curiosity because people classified it as a gambit weapon and many didnt get it. Divinity drops from GoS. Enhanced relay defender also drops from GoS. Team comp can now influence the damage. It is not wise to put your only bubble and well into the tether team etc.

The whole raid got more complicated, it is usually 3 phase Sol Inherent and even there you sometimes need to run for your money if you brought 2-3 newbs.

That makes sense. During my last run they did have Whispers and xenophage, but no divininity and I only saw the hunter tether go up once, so the Xenophage were not getting their crits.

Yea, the last boss is often a 3 phase now because people don't understand how you get the most optimal damage. Hunters and titans use xeno, warlocks use whisper. That's the meta. Why? Because hunters have reload dodge, and titans have actium war rig. Warlocks don't

[Mez Koo]

Izanagi got triple nerfed and there are a lot more bleuberries floating around with #stayin