Revolver shotgun / Revolver sniper

[Kirshak]

Every game it's only those weapons, all the time, for ever. Why bother adding so many other guns if they can't compete with those.

I am usually a fan of revolvers and shotguns on any other games, especially Battlefield. But in Destiny, it feel like you have to use those guns or get exterminated.

[Mez Koo]

There are no revolvers in destiny 2, the closest you get is the last word which is a single exotic weapon.

[radbass2]

Submachine guns are very dominant in the current meta. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about lol

[radbass2]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

There are no revolvers in destiny 2, the closest you get is the last word which is a single exotic weapon.

Maz, every single hand cannon is a revolver lol

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by radbass2:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

There are no revolvers in destiny 2, the closest you get is the last word which is a single exotic weapon.

Maz, every single hand cannon is a revolver lol

Most of the guns in Destiny 2 are the same space magic type of guns, you put "ammo" in a slot and bullets come out the barrel magically, there is nothing like a revolver in Destiny 2.

[Kirshak]

yeah sorry I forgot they are not called revolvers in D2 but hand cannon

[Mez Koo]

Spare rations hand cannon and mindbenders ambition shotgun are the meta load out because Bungie refuses to balance.

[Broadsword]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Spare rations hand cannon and mindbenders ambition shotgun are the meta load out because Bungie refuses to balance.

It's because of map design, Mindbender's already got nerfed in a way that nerfed most shotguns and when it better than it was today, precision frame shotguns were strictly better.

Typically, if you got killed with handcannon or a shotgun you got outplayed. The exception here is Spare Rations because of insane aim assist and the 150 archetype defeating the major points of every other handcannon archetype.

[ERROR1018]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by radbass2:

Maz, every single hand cannon is a revolver lol

Most of the guns in Destiny 2 are the same space magic type of guns, you put "ammo" in a slot and bullets come out the barrel magically, there is nothing like a revolver in Destiny 2.

Do you have animations disabled or something?

Every one of the hand cannons features a revolving magazine in my game. Some of them even ratchet like old cowboy guns...

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by ERROR1018:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Most of the guns in Destiny 2 are the same space magic type of guns, you put "ammo" in a slot and bullets come out the barrel magically, there is nothing like a revolver in Destiny 2.

Do you have animations disabled or something?

Every one of the hand cannons features a revolving magazine in my game. Some of them even ratchet like old cowboy guns...

Show me video of a single non exotic hand cannon where the gun parts actually do anything.

Actually, show me any non exotic weapon where the gun parts mean anything, its just space magic where ammo goes it in one way and bullets come out the other.

[Lil C]-[ew C]-[ew is ☂д☂]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

There are no revolvers in destiny 2, the closest you get is the last word which is a single exotic weapon.

You are forgetting about Trust the solar handcannon that really assemble like a revolver.

[ERROR1018]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by ERROR1018:

Do you have animations disabled or something?

Every one of the hand cannons features a revolving magazine in my game. Some of them even ratchet like old cowboy guns...

Show me video of a single non exotic hand cannon where the gun parts actually do anything.

Actually, show me any non exotic weapon where the gun parts mean anything, its just space magic where ammo goes it in one way and bullets come out the other.

IDK maybe you just haven't much experience with firearms. It's ok, many don't.

I enjoy the fact that many of the ingame guns, especially TLW, remind me of my Chiappa 50DS. While it's not my favorite for actual tactical shooting, it does fit the hand cannon bill nicely (without being crazy heavy like a lot of full frame .357s and .44s, the heftiness is nice but target acquisition feels sluggish for me compared to a polymer semi)

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Broadsword:

It's because of map design, Mindbender's already got nerfed in a way that nerfed most shotguns and when it better than it was today, precision frame shotguns were strictly better.

The problem with Mindbenders is that its barrel is so damn long that it physically outranges Retold Tale and Bungie doesn't seem to want to bother nerfing its range by even a meter.

Originally posted by Broadsword:

Typically, if you got killed with handcannon or a shotgun you got outplayed. The exception here is Spare Rations because of insane aim assist and the 150 archetype defeating the major points of every other handcannon archetype.

Exactly, what's the point of running any of the 140 hand canons when the 150s do the same job faster.

[Broadsword]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Broadsword:

It's because of map design, Mindbender's already got nerfed in a way that nerfed most shotguns and when it better than it was today, precision frame shotguns were strictly better.

The problem with Mindbenders is that its barrel is so damn long that it physically outranges Retold Tale and Bungie doesn't seem to want to bother nerfing its range by even a meter.

Gonna full on disagree. No shotgun needs nerfing more, no special weapon really needs nerfing besides Erentil. Instead, special ammo needs a philosophy change.

That said, I'm aware gun cosmetics such as barrel length does affect range, but you're complaining about an aggressive frame shotgun doing its job. These should be the guns that get the most reliable OHKs.

The issue with shotguns right now is that there's non-aggressive frame shotguns that currently get nearly the same effective performance while having none off the drawbacks associated with the high firing latency of an aggressive framed shotgun - which basically means shotguns need unnerfed in order to fix the core problems Bungie has created.

This could not happen unless the special ammo design philosophy behind the economy is altered to resemble Age of Triumph, with no weapon getting to spawn with free ammo, and players having to pick up ammo from various strategic points on the map - in other words, making the game play like it was originally designed to before the PvP team ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up everything behind Destiny 2 and only half-fixed it.

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by Broadsword:

Typically, if you got killed with handcannon or a shotgun you got outplayed. The exception here is Spare Rations because of insane aim assist and the 150 archetype defeating the major points of every other handcannon archetype.

Exactly, what's the point of running any of the 140 hand canons when the 150s do the same job faster.

At the same ranges, because (like shotguns) Bungie instituted a hard cap on the range of handcannons, making the Range stat effectively a targeting assistance stat with some slight enhancements to a weapon's overall precision (I mean precision by the strict definition of precision vs. accuracy).

It's also worth noting that the best sniper rifles are ones with Snapshot Sights and extremely high aim assist.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Lil C-ew C-ew is ಥ﹏ಥ:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

There are no revolvers in destiny 2, the closest you get is the last word which is a single exotic weapon.

You are forgetting about Trust the solar handcannon that really assemble like a revolver.

Yes it looks like one but it doesn't act like one.

Originally posted by ERROR1018:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Show me video of a single non exotic hand cannon where the gun parts actually do anything.

Actually, show me any non exotic weapon where the gun parts mean anything, its just space magic where ammo goes it in one way and bullets come out the other.

IDK maybe you just haven't much experience with firearms. It's ok, many don't.

I enjoy the fact that many of the ingame guns, especially TLW, remind me of my Chiappa 50DS. While it's not my favorite for actual tactical shooting, it does fit the hand cannon bill nicely (without being crazy heavy like a lot of full frame .357s and .44s, the heftiness is nice but target acquisition feels sluggish for me compared to a polymer semi)

You're right I don't have experience with firearms but I know enough to know that the Last Word wouldn't operate at all physically through its parts. The gun barrel, cylinder, and hammer don't even line up.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by Broadsword:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

The problem with Mindbenders is that its barrel is so damn long that it physically outranges Retold Tale and Bungie doesn't seem to want to bother nerfing its range by even a meter.

Gonna full on disagree. Shotguns don't need nerfing more, no special weapon really needs nerfing besides Erentil. Instead, special ammo needs a philosophy change.

That said, I'm aware gun cosmetics such as barrel length does affect range, but you're complaining about an aggressive frame shotgun doing its job. These should be the guns that get the most reliable OHKs.

I'm not talking all shotgun, I'm talking specifically about Mindbender's Ambition. It's range stat is terrible compared to the long range shotguns like Dust Rock and Retold Tale but Mindbender's has no trouble out ranging them. Most of the other aggressive frames don't have any where close a competitive range of those 3 and mindbenders being in the same archtype shouldn't either, that is why I specifically said mindbenders.