Pvp everbody is the same

[Mr.flux]

Why the heck is everybody playing the same 5 guns and everything else is just doggggshiiiiiit

[Mr.flux]

If u dont grind the main weapons for hundred hours you wont be having any fun in pvp .

[Sekzon]

is not true. it's a personal thing. i often have a good time with pvp even tho i'm really bad at it.

[rob_every05]

I utterly loath it, always have, it's the same old thing as in most long term PVP sections of games, if you try it, you will get endlessly wiped out, you need to know the maps, have the best weapons and builds to even possibly enjoy it, if you like getting killed all the time be my guest, but this is the weakest aspect of this game for me.

[Rikokilller]

As long you have some decent rolled hand cannons and pulse rifles along with not bad sniper rifle you should be fine (for class aspect you usually want to go with arc or void because fire aspect is best for PVE in most cases)

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by flux773:

Why the heck is everybody playing the same 5 guns

Because Bungie refuses to balance Spare Rations, Last Word, Mindbender's Ambition, and Lord of Wolves.

[zOldBulldog]

It is because Bungie chooses to matchmake with a (bad) attempt to balance teams, not by attempting to put players of similar skill/results in matches.

So you end up having 1 or 2 uber-players mixed with beginners or PvE players that are grinding for specific weapon kills and could care less about winning, and worse in some modes like Survival they are actually trying to lose so that matchmaker will put them with players more on par with their own skill.

It is no surprise that the results are a total cluster-*.

[Nordblut]

I am playing the weapons I like, that´s why I am kinda bad at PvP .... and because I am bad at PvP in general.

[Tax Evasion]

Even if the nerf those 5 guns, the good players will still be able to beat you.

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by McChicken video:

Even if the nerf those 5 guns, the good players will still be able to beat you.

That is irrelevant. You're right that good players will continue to be good but the problem is that everyone is using the same stuff and its boring.

[Tax Evasion]

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

Originally posted by McChicken video:

Even if the nerf those 5 guns, the good players will still be able to beat you.

That is irrelevant. You're right that good players will continue to be good but the problem is that everyone is using the same stuff and its boring.

And once they nerf those 5 weapons everyone will move to the next best thing. You might have a good day or two of artificial variety but after that it’s the exact same thing

[Mez Koo]

Originally posted by McChicken video:

Originally posted by Mez Koo:

That is irrelevant. You're right that good players will continue to be good but the problem is that everyone is using the same stuff and its boring.

And once they nerf those 5 weapons everyone will move to the next best thing. You might have a good day or two of artificial variety but after that it’s the exact same thing

That's the idea of a meta, the problem is that its been the same meta for over 6 months. Every season should have sweeping changes to refresh the crucible.

[Ceceli Δ]

Check my profile. It says: anti-meta.

But most people just can't bother to git gut with all sorts of weapons and/or can't stand to lose, so they must resort to the meta and OP stuff.

[mikey]

I am legend in competitive, and disagree, while there is a huige influx of the same weapons (Spare rations, Mindbenders, LOW) It is not because they are the best of their class. There are much better weapons than spare rations, but spare rations is by far one of the easiest of its class to farm (Reckoing, tier II?) So it makes it the most popular choice. Right now, most 150 RPM handcannons are meta, so ya, in high teir comp, you don't see much else, but that is because everyone there is trying their best to win, therefore using the best stuff. Mindbenders is a exception for this one, it is easy to farm, but is time gated. And is one of the few 55 RPM high impact shotties that can roll with quickdraw, only one I think? Not sure. Point is, doesnt matter what if you opponet is using the same thing every time, if anything, use that information to improve yourself, play around spare rations, our range it, or use something like chaperone that can map minderbenders!

[Tax Evasion]

Originally posted by Eriith:

I am legend in competitive, and disagree, while there is a huige influx of the same weapons (Spare rations, Mindbenders, LOW) It is not because they are the best of their class. There are much better weapons than spare rations, but spare rations is by far one of the easiest of its class to farm (Reckoing, tier II?) So it makes it the most popular choice. Right now, most 150 RPM handcannons are meta, so ya, in high teir comp, you don't see much else, but that is because everyone there is trying their best to win, therefore using the best stuff. Mindbenders is a exception for this one, it is easy to farm, but is time gated. And is one of the few 55 RPM high impact shotties that can roll with quickdraw, only one I think? Not sure. Point is, doesnt matter what if you opponet is using the same thing every time, if anything, use that information to improve yourself, play around spare rations, our range it, or use something like chaperone that can map minderbenders!

The spare rations is by far the best hand cannon in pvp right now. It’s not because it’s easy to farm but because it out preforms there archetypes of hand cannons and highs one of the highest aim assist stats in class

[Ceceli Δ]

Originally posted by McChicken video:

Originally posted by Eriith:

I am legend in competitive, and disagree, while there is a huige influx of the same weapons (Spare rations, Mindbenders, LOW) It is not because they are the best of their class. There are much better weapons than spare rations, but spare rations is by far one of the easiest of its class to farm (Reckoing, tier II?) So it makes it the most popular choice. Right now, most 150 RPM handcannons are meta, so ya, in high teir comp, you don't see much else, but that is because everyone there is trying their best to win, therefore using the best stuff. Mindbenders is a exception for this one, it is easy to farm, but is time gated. And is one of the few 55 RPM high impact shotties that can roll with quickdraw, only one I think? Not sure. Point is, doesnt matter what if you opponet is using the same thing every time, if anything, use that information to improve yourself, play around spare rations, our range it, or use something like chaperone that can map minderbenders!

The spare rations is by far the best hand cannon in pvp right now. It’s not because it’s easy to farm but because it out preforms there archetypes of hand cannons and highs one of the highest aim assist stats in class

THIS

And it is good close and mid range. People either need to use another class of weapon to counter it or have the same weapon. It is the best at what it does and it doesn't relly on anything else. You have Thorn that it is a beast, but once it gets the buff. Ace, Lumina, whatever. But not Spare Rations. This one was built to just be awesome in one thing.