Don't bother with PvP at the Crucible if you don't have either an automatic or hand cannon

[I LIKE DR PEPPER]

Some people actually want to win and don't need people without those guns to hold them back.

[Sterling]

引用自 AarkTheDragon：

引用自 zefferss：

PVP is trash in this game anyways, just sucks.

yes and you made an entire thread about it to throw a fit about how people play to win and that makes you mad lmfao

Honestly I'm glad people like y'all are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ off from PvP. You're the types of people that leave the moment its looking like you won't be carried or throw tantrums in chat.

There's a fine difference between disliking being forced into a garbage meta to win and wanting to be carried. It's not too much to ask to not be punished for using anything that isn't a hand cannon, a sniper, a shotgun, or the incredible amount of two or three competent automatic weapons.

[Googly]

I use "Hazard of the Cast" which i got from gambit and honestly i destroy people about 805 of the time unless im just trash that game. Though i have seen people absolutely destroy my entire team single handed with a Pulse or sword

[Sterling]

引用自 AarkTheDragon：

引用自 Sterling：

There's a fine difference between disliking being forced into a garbage meta to win and wanting to be carried. It's not too much to ask to not be punished for using anything that isn't a hand cannon, a sniper, a shotgun, or the incredible amount of two or three competent automatic weapons.

Again, if you think that's all that exists, it's because you're ♥♥♥♥ at PvP and need the guns to carry you.

Even a semi-competent player will be able to take nearly anything they want in to PvP and find success with it.

I've had my share of good matches, and not ones in which I was blatantly carried, unlike some other matches I've seen and been in, not to mention that I am anything but a stranger to FPS and PvP. There is a shoddy balancing on the gun part, and ezmode weapons existing already proves it; whether people are capable of winning with worse weapons is irrelevant, as it's not about whether you can hammer a nail with your forehead, but knowing that a hammer is much better for it.

[Chemical Freak]

引用自 Sterling：

Or maybe make entertaining weapons viable for PvP instead of trying to enforce an obnoxious meta?

they're trying to do this with the hand cannon nerf, but all they did was piss a bunch of people off

[Cneq]

maybe don't be ♥♥♥♥ then, you can destroy kids with a scout rifle alone

[Wiawyr]

引用自 AarkTheDragon：

引用自 Wiawyr：

That person didn't make the thread. Are you new to the Steam forums?

He made a different thread. Are you new to reading comprehension?

Cool, nobody is paying attention to what you've looked at so if you say something like that, it's good to reference it. Clarity in communication will be a valuable skill, especially when you stop acting so condescending on top of it.

[Paranochat]

You should probably not care that much about the PvP, it's easily the weakest part of Destiny. If you expected anything like a competitive shooter based purely on aim and skill, you had the wrong idea.

Not saying it can't be fun, just that the game was clearly not designed around that part and turned out to be just a casual activity you do either for fun or for bounties and quests. If you wanted something competitive, just play another game.

引用自 AarkTheDragon：

Again, it's much more telling about your own skill that you're in an MMR bracket where people need to use so-called "easy mode" weapons to carry them than it does about the balance of the game.

I think you're missing their point, being able to thrive in an unbalanced environment doesn't make that environment any better. Nobody actually cares about your ability to win with a non-meta gun, it doesn't change the fact that some guns and exotic armors give a huge advantage and are more efficient than other stuff.
Player's skill isn't even relevant to the discussion, I mean a terrible player with "OP" gear could lose to a good player with random gear, but they still wouldn't be in a fair environment anyway.

(Bringing up the MMR argument is kinda childish, I don't know them, maybe they actually have a low MMR, but it doesn't matter much, especially when the Matchmaking can go so wrong that it matches a full premade team of veterans against new players who just started the game).

[Mez Koo]

Automatics are some of the worst guns for pvp, out dps by smg and out ranged by pulse rifles and hand cannons.

[Boxer]

autos in pvp? LMAO you're as new as the people you're flaming

[CazadorDeLobo]

引用自 Duce Boxer：

autos in pvp? LMAO you're as new as the people you're flaming

It reminds me of the people who always wanted "snipers only" in Battlefield

[Mr. Goose]

I use melee only, fight me.

[CazadorDeLobo]

引用自 Mr. Goose：

I use melee only, fight me.

For some reason you reminded me of the BF Friends Colonel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u_89EX2w0c

[Mez Koo]

引用自 Mr. Goose：

I use melee only, fight me.

Sounds like a titan with skull fort.

[Sterling]

引用自 AarkTheDragon：

引用自 Sterling：

I've had my share of good matches, and not ones in which I was blatantly carried, unlike some other matches I've seen and been in, not to mention that I am anything but a stranger to FPS and PvP. There is a shoddy balancing on the gun part, and ezmode weapons existing already proves it; whether people are capable of winning with worse weapons is irrelevant, as it's not about whether you can hammer a nail with your forehead, but knowing that a hammer is much better for it.

Again, it's much more telling about your own skill that you're in an MMR bracket where people need to use so-called "easy mode" weapons to carry them than it does about the balance of the game.

I for one am having a blast now that the bugged exotics have been fixed and I'm seeing tons of weird ass builds brought it, and the good old meta stuff is just a quaint little experience that makes me laugh when I nuke somebody and 2 of their buddies because they lost a duel to me with their OL+KC spare rations against my curated Tyranny of Heaven's Dragonfly lmao

Maybe I'm playing with these people because I barely started playing the game? Not everyone has played this game since before F2P to have time for the game to get some massive chunks of data on their matches. This feels like going "wow bro you just installed CS:GO and don't have a rank, that shows a lot about your skill lol". And again, just because you can hammer a nail with your forehead, it doesn't mean the hammer isn't better.

[Quy]

i play crucible in asia , most people here are lagswitch or just having bad connection.
keep getting shot through wall + etc
i'm only see the issue in pvp is sniper rifle and stupid radar that so much helpful than player skill.