Why AAF desided to attack NATO?

[kserks96]

I mean, nato peaceceepers was sitting on small rock slowly scrapping their gear and sending it back as scrap and generally leaving region, They already leaved main island.
WHY aaf did that? I dont get it.

[ShelLuser]

I don't think this got really explained in the campaign (but bear in mind that I haven't fully finished it yet) but even so I can think of many reasons. If the AAF also tries to oppress the population then what stronger message to sent than "Look, we kicked NATO off our land!", obviously while leaving out uncomfortable details.

The point though: if AAF can "kick out" an international NATO force, then what chances would a local resistance force have?

That would be my theory behind it :)

Nice thread!

[kserks96]

AAF command bunch of selfish asses, im shure they dont care about showing their force to FIA thru attacing NATO, they already push guerlla to north part of island. Besides, that would only spread word that NATO attacked and increace chance that info about that will leave islands.

Resistance existed before NATO even stepped on islands, and didnt go avay after that.

No, i think CSAT command just desided to go nuts and speed up process. with no apparent reasons.

[Karmaterrorᵁᴷ]

Because scrapping and loading your gear to fly away wouldnt have made for a very exciting campain haha

[Pät Mc Garry]

I belive its because of the CTRG: see before NATO arrival in Altis/Stratis, the CTRG knew about a device that was being used in Altis by the CSAT forces (East-Wind device). The CTRG was task to find it and capture it before the effects of the device has mass effects on the island. The CTRG was a small task force and they cant do a lot against the suprematic equipement of the CSAT aswell as the number of the AAF (AAF accepted a contract with the CSAT, the contract will give small territory to the CSAT so they can do their "experiment" in exchange for financial and military support). So the CTRG decided to use the rebellion, called FIA, to do their special stuff and search for the devices while the FIA distract the armies by doing their guerilla stuff. Though, the CTRG needed to gain trust from the FIA, and so the CTRG gave the FIA weapons, vehicles, strategic support and training. The AAF was in big trouble, because now the FIA grew stronger in every aspect thanks to the CTRG support, and so the AAF called upon the NATO forces to take care of the FIA. Keep in mind, that the AAF/CSAT/NATO had no idea that the CTRG was operating and helping the FIA.
Like we saw in the tutorial, the NATO questionned the CSAT/AAF doing in "keeping the peace" (abuse of prisoners, etc) and made their AAF/CSAT/NATO alliance questionnable, but thats not what started the attack.
The NATO-AAF relathionship could've broke at any moment but the situation was not that important to make a war, but thats where the CTRG comes in and starts a conflict. The CTRG was a task forces of the NATO forces and so they used NATO equipement and that same equipement was given to the FIA due to their alliance with them. And when the AAF found out that the FIA, the rebels that have been trying to take down the Altis goverenment, were using NATO equipement, the AAF went to the conclusion that the NATO were working with the FIA. And so the CSAT and the AAF did a combined assault on the isolated island of Stratis, where the NATO were restricted to, to take down the traitors (NATO).
And there you have it, the Arma 3 lore from what I've gathered.

[kserks96]

Well, seems pretty reasonable

[ShelLuser]

classic example of why I really enjoy the Steam community so much, all of these theories are IMO honestly really good!

Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed reading these so far

[76561198051514398]

Originally posted by kserks96:

I mean, nato peaceceepers was sitting on small rock slowly scrapping their gear and sending it back as scrap and generally leaving region, They already leaved main island.
WHY aaf did that? I dont get it.

Probably a false flag like half of the conflicts NATO/The U.S has involved itself in.

[The Cucked One]

Originally posted by Pat Mc Garry:

I belive its because of the CTRG: see before NATO arrival in Altis/Stratis, the CTRG knew about a device that was being used in Altis by the CSAT forces (East-Wind device). The CTRG was task to find it and capture it before the effects of the device has mass effects on the island. The CTRG was a small task force and they cant do a lot against the suprematic equipement of the CSAT aswell as the number of the AAF (AAF accepted a contract with the CSAT, the contract will give small territory to the CSAT so they can do their "experiment" in exchange for financial and military support). So the CTRG decided to use the rebellion, called FIA, to do their special stuff and search for the devices while the FIA distract the armies by doing their guerilla stuff. Though, the CTRG needed to gain trust from the FIA, and so the CTRG gave the FIA weapons, vehicles, strategic support and training. The AAF was in big trouble, because now the FIA grew stronger in every aspect thanks to the CTRG support, and so the AAF called upon the NATO forces to take care of the FIA. Keep in mind, that the AAF/CSAT/NATO had no idea that the CTRG was operating and helping the FIA.
Like we saw in the tutorial, the NATO questionned the CSAT/AAF doing in "keeping the peace" (abuse of prisoners, etc) and made their AAF/CSAT/NATO alliance questionnable, but thats not what started the attack.
The NATO-AAF relathionship could've broke at any moment but the situation was not that important to make a war, but thats where the CTRG comes in and starts a conflict. The CTRG was a task forces of the NATO forces and so they used NATO equipement and that same equipement was given to the FIA due to their alliance with them. And when the AAF found out that the FIA, the rebels that have been trying to take down the Altis goverenment, were using NATO equipement, the AAF went to the conclusion that the NATO were working with the FIA. And so the CSAT and the AAF did a combined assault on the isolated island of Stratis, where the NATO were restricted to, to take down the traitors (NATO).
And there you have it, the Arma 3 lore from what I've gathered.

nerd lol

[Weißbrot]

Originally posted by Pat Mc Garry:

I belive its because of the CTRG: see before NATO arrival in Altis/Stratis, the CTRG knew about a device that was being used in Altis by the CSAT forces (East-Wind device). The CTRG was task to find it and capture it before the effects of the device has mass effects on the island. The CTRG was a small task force and they cant do a lot against the suprematic equipement of the CSAT aswell as the number of the AAF (AAF accepted a contract with the CSAT, the contract will give small territory to the CSAT so they can do their "experiment" in exchange for financial and military support). So the CTRG decided to use the rebellion, called FIA, to do their special stuff and search for the devices while the FIA distract the armies by doing their guerilla stuff. Though, the CTRG needed to gain trust from the FIA, and so the CTRG gave the FIA weapons, vehicles, strategic support and training. The AAF was in big trouble, because now the FIA grew stronger in every aspect thanks to the CTRG support, and so the AAF called upon the NATO forces to take care of the FIA. Keep in mind, that the AAF/CSAT/NATO had no idea that the CTRG was operating and helping the FIA.
Like we saw in the tutorial, the NATO questionned the CSAT/AAF doing in "keeping the peace" (abuse of prisoners, etc) and made their AAF/CSAT/NATO alliance questionnable, but thats not what started the attack.
The NATO-AAF relathionship could've broke at any moment but the situation was not that important to make a war, but thats where the CTRG comes in and starts a conflict. The CTRG was a task forces of the NATO forces and so they used NATO equipement and that same equipement was given to the FIA due to their alliance with them. And when the AAF found out that the FIA, the rebels that have been trying to take down the Altis goverenment, were using NATO equipement, the AAF went to the conclusion that the NATO were working with the FIA. And so the CSAT and the AAF did a combined assault on the isolated island of Stratis, where the NATO were restricted to, to take down the traitors (NATO).
And there you have it, the Arma 3 lore from what I've gathered.

Interessting but not true, Akhanteros freaked out because the troops of TFA build here military objectives back and destroy also a verry important airbase, radar station and shooting range wich use also the AAF near TFA.
The NATO find it just after the CTRG-raid of the CSAT-labs out that there was important equipment on altis and behind the cooperation of Akhanteros government and the CSAT, not at start of the campaign.

[Matihood]

Sorry for a little bit of necro but I found a comment on reddit with a slightly different theory (although also putting a blame on the CTRG):

"The ending of the Bootcamp prologue states that tensions between the AAF and NATO were already quite strained before the events of The East Wind, which eventually resulted in TF Aegis' (or more specifically, the U.S.-led side of the peacekeeping force) mandate being heavily restricted to just Stratis and prevented any NATO personnel from being able to be on Altis.

Now fast forward to the beginning of TEW and you see Lacey and Adams point out a Ghost Hawk landing at Camp Maxwell (which was already dismantled some time before Drawdown 2035) during your flight in to Camp Rogain. A few minutes later Col. MacKinnon, the only commanding NATO officer left on Stratis, is seen driving away from Rogain and is eventually killed by a mine (suspiciously with no AAF nearby) and the AAF "retaliates" against a now-disorganised TF Aegis.

It's heavily implied that Miller's CTRG team did something on the Altis mainland (perhaps they blew up a supply depot or something) and deliberately let their Ghost Hawk be spotted by the AAF on the way back. Seeing as how NATO personnel aren't allowed to be on Altis and they were directly attacked by NATO forces, the AAF quickly responded in kind as they assumed TF Aegis were behind it all."
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/54cct7/arma_3_the_east_wind_why_did_csat_and_aaf_attack/d812uql/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Reggie]

so that makes CTRG the bad guys but also the good guys?

[Weißbrot]

Originally posted by Pät Mc Garry:

I belive its because of the CTRG: see before NATO arrival in Altis/Stratis, the CTRG knew about a device that was being used in Altis by the CSAT forces (East-Wind device). The CTRG was task to find it and capture it before the effects of the device has mass effects on the island. The CTRG was a small task force and they cant do a lot against the suprematic equipement of the CSAT aswell as the number of the AAF (AAF accepted a contract with the CSAT, the contract will give small territory to the CSAT so they can do their "experiment" in exchange for financial and military support). So the CTRG decided to use the rebellion, called FIA, to do their special stuff and search for the devices while the FIA distract the armies by doing their guerilla stuff. Though, the CTRG needed to gain trust from the FIA, and so the CTRG gave the FIA weapons, vehicles, strategic support and training. The AAF was in big trouble, because now the FIA grew stronger in every aspect thanks to the CTRG support, and so the AAF called upon the NATO forces to take care of the FIA. Keep in mind, that the AAF/CSAT/NATO had no idea that the CTRG was operating and helping the FIA.
Like we saw in the tutorial, the NATO questionned the CSAT/AAF doing in "keeping the peace" (abuse of prisoners, etc) and made their AAF/CSAT/NATO alliance questionnable, but thats not what started the attack.
The NATO-AAF relathionship could've broke at any moment but the situation was not that important to make a war, but thats where the CTRG comes in and starts a conflict. The CTRG was a task forces of the NATO forces and so they used NATO equipement and that same equipement was given to the FIA due to their alliance with them. And when the AAF found out that the FIA, the rebels that have been trying to take down the Altis goverenment, were using NATO equipement, the AAF went to the conclusion that the NATO were working with the FIA. And so the CSAT and the AAF did a combined assault on the isolated island of Stratis, where the NATO were restricted to, to take down the traitors (NATO).
And there you have it, the Arma 3 lore from what I've gathered.

Nice try, but at the end your theory is based on a very unstable fiction.

FIA didnt used NATO equipment in the time of the altian civil war of 2035 (at least not in the East Wind vanilla campaign).

CTRG had no interest/plan in a new altian civil war in 2035 until NATO high command noticed that CSAT has stationed a top secret weapon system on Altis, this came up after AAF attacked NATO forces on Stratis,

Originally posted by kserks96:

I mean, nato peaceceepers was sitting on small rock slowly scrapping their gear and sending it back as scrap and generally leaving region, They already leaved main island.
WHY aaf did that? I dont get it.

AAF couldnt afford to loose Mike 26 (the big radar station) in view of early warning of enemy air movement.
Rethink how Miller with his CTRG team arrived on Stratis (with an heli).

CSAT couldnt afford to loose Mike 26 (the big radar station) because their already stationed top secret weapon system on Altis would be in serius danger.

AAF and CSAT had an common interest in preventing NATO from scrapping Mike 26, this led to the ambush, also AAF had a powerfull ally CSAT (comperable to the Soviet Union in the cold war), AAF and CSAT simply didnt expected such a harsh reaction from NATO since NATO was weakened and splitted due to loss of some member countries and geopolitical power.

[Weißbrot]

Originally posted by Matihood:

Sorry for a little bit of necro but I found a comment on reddit with a slightly different theory (although also putting a blame on the CTRG):

"The ending of the Bootcamp prologue states that tensions between the AAF and NATO were already quite strained before the events of The East Wind, which eventually resulted in TF Aegis' (or more specifically, the U.S.-led side of the peacekeeping force) mandate being heavily restricted to just Stratis and prevented any NATO personnel from being able to be on Altis.

Now fast forward to the beginning of TEW and you see Lacey and Adams point out a Ghost Hawk landing at Camp Maxwell (which was already dismantled some time before Drawdown 2035) during your flight in to Camp Rogain. A few minutes later Col. MacKinnon, the only commanding NATO officer left on Stratis, is seen driving away from Rogain and is eventually killed by a mine (suspiciously with no AAF nearby) and the AAF "retaliates" against a now-disorganised TF Aegis.

It's heavily implied that Miller's CTRG team did something on the Altis mainland (perhaps they blew up a supply depot or something) and deliberately let their Ghost Hawk be spotted by the AAF on the way back. Seeing as how NATO personnel aren't allowed to be on Altis and they were directly attacked by NATO forces, the AAF quickly responded in kind as they assumed TF Aegis were behind it all."
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/arma/comments/54cct7/arma_3_the_east_wind_why_did_csat_and_aaf_attack/d812uql/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

The mine/IED who killed the highest ranked NATO officer MacKinnon on Stratis was laid by FIA/AAF/CSAT.

FIA feared that a withdrawal of NATO TFA forces could cause a catastrophic defeat for the resistance.

AAF/CSAT removed the highest NATO officer to simplify their planned ambush.
You cannot simply kill the POWed head of TFA (origin from NATO) without causing a full war with NATO, so a strange explosion no one takes responsibility for is alot easier.

[Weißbrot]

Originally posted by The Freeman:

so that makes CTRG the bad guys but also the good guys?

There are never good and bad guys, get rid of such idiotic thinking.

[LukeTheSp00k]

I mean, connect the dots. CTRG is supporting the FIA, CSAT intervenes to help the AAF, CTRG goes to Stratis, the AAF attacks. Whether they actually were or not, they clearly perceived the US forces on Stratis as directly aiding the FIA and thus were justifiable targets.

The real question, that's never answered, is why Miller showed up to Stratis in such an obvious and public manner as a chopper insertion in broad daylight, nor what he was doing there since his mission was supposed to be covert. Whether it has anything to do with that "logistical support" MacKinnon wanted Adams to grab him a truck for would be interesting to know (maybe shipping the departing troops' weapons to the FIA?).