really need an option for uncensored content.

[♥]

the game never showed any explicit nudity, so i fail to see why they need to remove some scenes or change character ID like clothing as opposed to just leave it as it is.

i am considering to just redownload the original with fan patch and just deal with non english users again, i dont care about the crossovers like muv luv and stuff due to copyrights, but altering a scene visuals outside of enhancing the visuals is disrespectfull.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSACJ9dAzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI01Cg6IbL8

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

Luminaire님이 먼저 게시:

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

Texture Change my ASS.

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Changing one main character (Hariett) clothes to combine both Base and Inner to don't allow innerwear bras to show, when there's Swimsuits, Luna Set and all that crap.

Now you see, if this was a thread about changing limitations on customizations, such as inner and base wear -issues-, i wouldn't be in here like this, because I agree with those (I've had a problem with that myself). Still, that's not "Censorship". that's a poor adjustment that broke something functional. There's a difference :p

Nope, that was an intentional change (a few pages back there's a post from Hugh if I'm not wrong proving it).

Nothing was broke, they consciously made that change because they don't show Harriet's Innerwear (it was the same coverage as the NA clothing) for some skewed reason.

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

Just to prove my point.
https://i.imgur.com/NFmJ9fG.png
Here is Harriet, both Global and JP Versions. No difference, right?

https://i.imgur.com/Wjsougr.png
Here's a photo of my character, using the same clothes. Nothing to it right? WRONG.

https://i.imgur.com/2YbcbEk.png
I'm using Helios Dilua: Sea [In], Stratos Innerwear, which covers way less than Harriet's Inner

https://i.imgur.com/3IJFYrB.png (The middle one at the bottom).

[Aurelia]

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

Just to prove my point.

So if i'm understanding this right, they changed the Basewear to include the chestpiece, rather than keeping it open for innerwear to fill.

What i don't get is, why this would be censorship of a character, when all it does is affect the player.

You showed me that harriette is the same in both versions. The only thing different was the inclusion of the chest piece in the (assumed) NA version, when it was not included in the basewear of the JP version.

So what would be the motivation? "Censoring" adult characters? In such an abstract why?
That doesn't add up.

I don't think this is censorship. I think there's something else going on here.

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

Here's the thing, it SHOULDN'T affect the player. It limits our power to customize the character as we want. What if I wanted to put Xiera's Inner (which covers a lot but differently from the set) instead of having Harriet's inner? They changed it explicitly so we couldn't use more risque innerwears with it, hence CENSOR.

The lack of the Smart Inner/Base also bears CENSORSHIP, because it shows more skin than whatever they think the west can handle.

So the question is, WHY has it changed in the first place if it WASN'T broken to begin with?

Remember, whatever we can use on our characters, is also equipped to the "story" characters on cutscenes, because that's the way the game was built.

[Aurelia]

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

They changed it explicitly so we couldn't use more risque innerwears with it, hence CENSOR.

The lack of the Smart Inner/Base also bears CENSORSHIP, because it shows more skin than whatever they think the west can handle.

If that was the motive, then it would be more consistent than what we actually see.

There IS a problem with innerwear/basewear, but likewise we still see new very skimpy things added with each inclusion of new outfits. If this was a censorship, then we wouldn't be seeing this. There'd be consistency.

That isn't the motive or reason. There's something else going on here.

[Crescens]

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

Just to prove my point.
https://imgur.com/a/5x9VmJt
Here is Harriet, both Global and JP Versions. No difference, right?

https://imgur.com/a/tjoId1U
Here's a photo of my character, using the same clothes. Nothing to it right? WRONG.

https://imgur.com/a/5n5Tmny
I'm using Helios Dilua: Sea [In], Stratos Innerwear, which covers way less than Harriet's Inner

https://i.imgur.com/3IJFYrB.png (The middle one at the bottom).

The unfortunate thing is this kind of post never really helps in the long run. You vent your frustration, but it isn't going to change anyone's mind.
If you want to spend this much energy in complaining about changes, it would be much better to use the energy in getting as many people to contact the PSO2 team through the official support channels.
As always, the only way to get change is if you show that there are numbers behind this desire for change and in this case, the best way to let them know is by swamping them with support notifications.
But always remember, this kind of battle can't be won using logic or laws or proof. You are talking about groups of people who don't care about the truth and only react to what is posted on social media. This is important to take into consideration because of the wonderful case of Night Trap which was pretty much responsible for the creation of the ESRB in the US. This title was dragged through the US senate as proof of violence in video games. On its re-release in 2017 it got an ESRB T rating and for a good portion of Europe it had a PEGI 12.
I understand that you want to have the original content untouched, but always take into account the mindless ones who jump on the back of a controversy.

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

Crescens님이 먼저 게시:

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Believe me, I tried.

The PSO2 Team님이 먼저 게시:

The PSO2 Team (PSO2)
Sep 2, 2020, 6:23 PM PDT
Greetings ARKS Operative,

Thank you for contacting us about this issue. I will go ahead and forward this to the appropriate department for further consideration. For any updates related to this, please continue to check the official website, forums, and social media channels for any update.

Thank you very much.

- The PSO2 Team

My last resort would be sending a direct message to SEGA OF JAPAN in regards of that but I don't know enough japanese for that.

[Icy Wings / Slime Soar]

Luminaire님이 먼저 게시:

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

They changed it explicitly so we couldn't use more risque innerwears with it, hence CENSOR.

The lack of the Smart Inner/Base also bears CENSORSHIP, because it shows more skin than whatever they think the west can handle.

If that was the motive, then it would be more consistent than what we actually see.

There IS a problem with innerwear/basewear, but likewise we still see new very skimpy things added with each inclusion of new outfits. If this was a censorship, then we wouldn't be seeing this. There'd be consistency.

That isn't the motive or reason. There's something else going on here.

Do you have a theory? I'm drawing a blank except by the 0.01% chance of it was a TEAM CHANGE in the middle of the way, that caught the game from Ep4 forward.

[Aurelia]

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

Luminaire님이 먼저 게시:

If that was the motive, then it would be more consistent than what we actually see.

There IS a problem with innerwear/basewear, but likewise we still see new very skimpy things added with each inclusion of new outfits. If this was a censorship, then we wouldn't be seeing this. There'd be consistency.

That isn't the motive or reason. There's something else going on here.

Do you have a theory? I'm drawing a blank except by the 0.01% chance of it was a TEAM CHANGE in the middle of the way, that caught the game from Ep4 forward.

More likely then censorship, because if it's censorship, they've got design people all over on different pages not paying attention. The worst censorship i've ever seen :p

I couldn't tell you what it is. All i can say is that when there's censorship, it's not some one-corner trim. That's like watching an adult video with 6 naked guys and only one of them has a box on his ass, while everyone else is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
That's not censorship. That's someone on the team screwing up, or some other oddity going on there that's not being explained.

-edit. Huh. that's an interestingly censored.. words.

PS, the basewear/innerwear problem was present before Ep4 release. It's not just this outfit, there's a problem with a couple of the older ones too that I couldn't say why for.

Infact.. I suspect there might be some layering programming issue bundled up in there, and that in order to make the outfit actually work, they -had- to include the chest piece.
Keep in mind, the programming between the two releases aren't the same. Some changes may have been made, and the base/innerwear problem may be a symptom of that... In short, this may have been a design change in order to get around an internal programming error.. Just a thought :p

[vaanomega]

Luminaire님이 먼저 게시:

twitch.tv/IcyWings님이 먼저 게시:

Just to prove my point.

So if i'm understanding this right, they changed the Basewear to include the chestpiece, rather than keeping it open for innerwear to fill.

What i don't get is, why this would be censorship of a character, when all it does is affect the player.

You showed me that harriette is the same in both versions. The only thing different was the inclusion of the chest piece in the (assumed) NA version, when it was not included in the basewear of the JP version.

So what would be the motivation? "Censoring" adult characters? In such an abstract why?
That doesn't add up.

I don't think this is censorship. I think there's something else going on here.

The NA version of this outfit leaves a little less possibility of customization, a White version of the Hariet's Innerwear looks good with a blue Hariet's Basewear



CatsChief Suroot:
https://i1.wp.com/www.bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Catschief-Suroot.jpg?w=850&ssl=1

If they don't add this outfit (Too revealing for me), I hope they will keep the hood and scarf

[Aurelia]

vaanomega님이 먼저 게시:

The NA version of this outfit leaves a little less possibility of customization, a White version of the Hariet's Innerwear looks good with a blue Hariet's Basewear

There are a lot of basewear and innerwear that do not work with eachother. They override eachother in different ways. Some of them work, some of them don't.

I'd say it's that problem that is likely the reason this change for this outfit was made.
IF that is the reason, then i guess we can hope for a good outcome from any of this afterall, and that is to fix the in/ba problem universally, so stuff like this doesn't happen.

[Work Safe Name]

vaanomega님이 먼저 게시:

Luminaire님이 먼저 게시:

If they don't add this outfit (Too revealing for me), I hope they will keep the hood and scarf

shoes that give lift like heels are always part of the basewear or an entire outfit. So if they decide to censor it, the whole outfit is out.

[Kossy]

♥♥♥♥♥ Feelings님이 먼저 게시:

shoes that give lift like heels are always part of the basewear or an entire outfit. So if they decide to censor it, the whole outfit is out.

The hood is an accessory so it could find its way in. The scarf is part of the outfit itself, however, so if the outfit is axed the scarf isn't coming.

[Work Safe Name]

Kossy님이 먼저 게시:

♥♥♥♥♥ Feelings님이 먼저 게시:

shoes that give lift like heels are always part of the basewear or an entire outfit. So if they decide to censor it, the whole outfit is out.

The hood is an accessory so it could find its way in. The scarf is part of the outfit itself, however, so if the outfit is axed the scarf isn't coming.

the maidenly ogre is a scarf and looks the same. is the scarf for catschief not an accessory in JP?
https://www.bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Onitsukimikon-Muffler.jpg

[Kossy]

♥♥♥♥♥ Feelings님이 먼저 게시:

Kossy님이 먼저 게시:

The hood is an accessory so it could find its way in. The scarf is part of the outfit itself, however, so if the outfit is axed the scarf isn't coming.

the maidenly ogre is a scarf and looks the same. is the scarf for catschief not an accessory in JP?
https://www.bumped.org/psublog/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Onitsukimikon-Muffler.jpg

That's an accessory for a different outfit. What you're looking at goes with https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/graffiti2000/imgs/6/a/6a1e0d66.jpg (note how the design is different from the cat paw-print on Catschief's scarf). You can contrast the design difference with https://i.imgur.com/COin9ZI.png which shows what Catschief (in the default color) looks like ingame. It's been rotated in a way where nothing revealing is visible as the focus is on the scarf part of the outfit.