This game needs Duo and solo back

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Its so frustrating if u play alone or with a friend to lose your games because the third player runs around alone even in endgame.

even following him is impossible because i cant upgrade stuff while following somone who runs around lost.

[KanyeWest]

Цитата допису Waryth:

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

Black Survival didn't even include Immortal Soul for a majority of its existence btw, I played a lot of that game. Which incorporates the whole aspect that this game was originally intended to be played solo. And it failed at keeping the players needed.

Black Survival ceased development and the main game development now is all allocated to Eternal Return.

Of course the new stuff from ER won't go to Black Survival anymore because the game ceased development. Are you seriously gonna use that argument for this post?

No ♥♥♥♥, the game has been shutdown for a long time now. What I'm trying to get to is, this games original concept was intended to be a solo battle royal.. that failed, and many players outside of Asia region left in droves. There was barely any life in other parts of the world. They decided to go squad only to retain whatever plays they had left as their sole focus, because of player retention. You seem to have a hard time accepting the games main concept failed, and it had nothing to do with other game modes.

[Waryth]

EDIT: Thank you for the Jester Awards! I'll make full of your points.

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

What I'm trying to get to is, this games original concept was intended to be a solo battle royal.. that failed, and many players outside of Asia region left in droves.

Immortal Soul: Black Survival's concept of SOLO BATTLE ROYALE didn't failed hence we have this SEQUEL of Eternal Return.

A bunch of losers can't play the game for themselves and handle by themselves that's why they decided to give up on SOLO mode temporarily because sucking in SOLO is a bad feeling while blaming others in SQUAD to compensate for one's disability is quite forgiving along with the revives.

I can 1v1, 1v3 and 1v3 and still get a kill but my teammates? They're FEASTING on the dead body of the player I killed instead of helping me out to do a 1v2 now after I just did a 1v3 and that's with ADRIANA, one of the worst damage dealer in-game. I'm able to pull off something ridiculous of a 1v3 but a brain dead teammate can't afford to capitalize the entire's squad success.

This is NOT a skill issue NOR a social issue, I even did pings. Those plebs doing voice chat refuse to cooperate to a third wheeler SOLO SQUAD queuer like me and even have the audacity to take the loot.

I can hire other gamers out there and make the perfect squad and ruin every matches in this game just to prove how SQUAD broken is with a perfect premade just to prove my point if I wish to go further than that out of this mere wall of texts.

[KanyeWest]

Цитата допису Waryth:

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

What I'm trying to get to is, this games original concept was intended to be a solo battle royal.. that failed, and many players outside of Asia region left in droves.

Immortal Soul: Black Survival's concept of SOLO BATTLE ROYALE didn't failed hence we have this SEQUEL of Eternal Return.

A bunch of losers can't play the game for themselves and handle by themselves that's why they decided to give up on SOLO mode temporarily because sucking in SOLO is a bad feeling while blaming others in SQUAD to compensate for one's disability is quite forgiving along with the revives.

You have a hard time comprehending a conversation focus in a topic when it's not hidden behind paragraphs of useless text. The ORIGINAL concept of ETERNAL RETURN is FAILING, which is why SOLO mode does not exist anymore. Player retention was at an all time LOW, and in order to save it they decided squads had a higher rate of players staying and not running away. Solo mode coming back is still up in the air.

The original Black Survival (I'm not using Immortal Soul in the title, if that's what makes you confused?) failed because of their genius idea of creating multiple regional servers instead of sticking with the region free idea of Korean only which was around for a long time. Yes, the lag was horrible for people not in Korea, but they effectively split an already small niche playerbase in other regions even more in half and matches were supposedly taking way too long to find, making whoever was left quit.

[Waryth]

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

The original Black Survival (I'm not using Immortal Soul in the title, if that's what makes you confused?) failed because of their genius idea of creating multiple regional servers instead of sticking with the region free idea of Korean only. Yes, the lag was horrible for people not in Korea, but they effectively split an already small niche playerbase in other regions even more in half and matches were supposedly taking way too long, making whoever was left quit.

You want them to copy WARGAMING and Genshin Impact's pathetic regional server just for the ping balance? I'd rather have that over a regional restriction. Playing with friends outside your region should be a thing.

Ping is just minor of an issue more than the character balancing they talk about. You still have a point but the one of the reasons why Black Survival died was to expand Eternal Return into the mobile app. They have to destroy their first game to prolong their second.

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

You have a hard time comprehending a conversation focus in a topic when it's not hidden behind paragraphs of useless text. The ORIGINAL concept of ETERNAL RETURN is FAILING, which is why SOLO mode does not exist anymore. Player retention was at an all time LOW, and in order to save it they decided squads had a higher rate of players staying and not running away. Solo mode coming back is still up in the air.

that was PRE 1.0 and we're POST 1.0's crisis.

[NeloDante]

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

You have a hard time comprehending a conversation focus in a topic when it's not hidden behind paragraphs of useless text.

I'm surprised you're still trying lmao. He's not going to admit anything, regardless of how lengthy the text is or how how many dev stream links anyone posts.

[Waryth]

Цитата допису NeloDante:

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

You have a hard time comprehending a conversation focus in a topic when it's not hidden behind paragraphs of useless text.

I'm surprised you're still trying lmao. He's not going to admit anything, regardless of how lengthy the text is or how how many dev stream links anyone posts.

Using dev stream links as the only source of hope to convince someone when that itself even contradict itself.

https://steamcharts.com/app/1049590
We're at AVERAGE of 11,203.3 just like back in 12,017.7. The playerbase is in NORMAL STATE now to reverse back the changes.

YOUR ARGUMENT OF:

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

Player retention was at an all time LOW, and in order to save it they decided squads had a higher rate of players

is NO LONGER APPLICABLE as a viable SCAPEGOAT in the present.

IF someone ain't admitting anything that'd be three of you who kept spewing the same thing over and over. YOU want me to agree with your belief when STEAM CHARTS says otherwise about the playerbase now for 2 consecutive months.

[NeloDante]

Lol.

[Waryth]

Цитата допису NeloDante:

Lol.

Got something else to say about the topic aside for reposting the dev link again and again even though your dev stream link post got countered over and over?

The post you just made is what you should be playing and NOT this game.

[KanyeWest]

Цитата допису NeloDante:

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

You have a hard time comprehending a conversation focus in a topic when it's not hidden behind paragraphs of useless text.

I'm surprised you're still trying lmao. He's not going to admit anything, regardless of how lengthy the text is or how how many dev stream links anyone posts.

I know, right? What's the point of having any kind of discussion, when he doesn't want to bother with any evidence being shown? Factual evidence such as dev streams.

But for the sake of his idea, let's say the numbers are going back up again. What would be the point of bringing back solo mode, when the developers have shown how incapable they are at balancing it properly? Why go back to the same situation that brought them into relaunching the game with squads only? What difference would repeating the same mistakes make if they all lead to the same outcome again? And those numbers are fluff to me, I seriously doubt they're a good representation of retention OUTSIDE of Korea.

What's with all the hate for LoL coming from you? lol, there's a reason why its been so highly successful this long.

[NeloDante]

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

I know, right? What's the point of having any kind of discussion, when he doesn't want to bother with any evidence being shown? Factual evidence such as dev streams.

He doesn't want to bother, then I don't have to. Simple as, he can continue crying since it is actually amusing - it's getting old fast though.

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

But for the sake of his idea, let's say the numbers are going back up again. What would be the point of bringing back solo mode, when the developers have shown how incapable they are at balancing it properly? Why go back to the same situation that brought them into relaunching the game with squads only? What difference would repeating the same mistakes make if they all lead to the same outcome again? And those numbers are fluff to me, I seriously doubt they're a good representation of retention OUTSIDE of Korea.

There's no point because the data shown for 3 years means that it would just harm the game more than anything. By trying to balance solos (and failing) it would hurt squads along the way (which is where all the players are meaning they'd leave), by trying to create solo-oriented characters it would hurt squads.

The difference and why this man is so adamant in it, is because now we have more players, but he doesn't realise that the reason of why we have players is exactly because solos is gone. I have been playing this game since Early access and most of my friends that played this game stopped because solos was awful and the devs were were ignoring teammodes back in the day.
The reason of why we are back is entirely because solos is gone and they are now forced to go with squad balancing. Even if he were to bring "you want squads cause you have friends" (lmao if he does), I play also solo and do the unthinkable: I make more friends in game and add them to play with - including new players that I end up teaching.

This game is by no means what they made before, where characters were just pngs and you couldn't move where mostly was just text based and there were almost no difference between characters thus solos made total sense unlike in ER.

[Waryth]

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

I know, right? What's the point of having any kind of discussion, when he doesn't want to bother with any evidence being shown? Factual evidence such as dev streams.

What the dev stream said was TRUE but the situation we're in? NOT anymore. Useless to the topic at hand now.

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

let's say the numbers are going back up again. What would be the point of bringing back solo mode

To NOT play with disabled and unfit for combat random players? Squad is nice. It should only be played with friends but that's my opinion but the fact is a premade squad is what makes it the best gamemode out of all.

Цитата допису Bleeding Eyes:

When the developers have shown how incapable they are at balancing it properly? Why go back to the same situation that brought them into relaunching the game with squads only?

You see, SOLO was TEMPORARILY closed and they intend to bring it BACK.

Why the heck do they intend to bring it back despire with all the dev stream link of themselves realizing the situation? They know the answer to their problem.

We've discussed this with Frostmire and yeah the usual you joined in the convo instead of reading the whole thing, Revival mechanics made a huge differences out of SOLO.

Doesn't matter with the new changes, they're bringing back SOLO in a matter of time. This post is merely a discussion over both sides and strengthening the arguments for the other more on why it should be brought back sooner than later.

You kept posting dev links as evidence.

How about you answer the evidence of the devs of them bringing back solo for what reason?

Why are they bringing it back? It's because that's BLACK SURVIVAL at the START. It was 1v1 the whole time. COOPERATION with other test subjects should be another thing but should NOT be enforced. We accept the desperate measure requires desperate actions but we're past that stage.

It's been 2 MONTHS of stability. These squad players have the experience to 1v1 by now.

[Waryth]

Цитата допису NeloDante:

The difference and why this man is so adamant in it, is because now we have more players, but he doesn't realise that the reason of why we have players is exactly because solos is gone. I have been playing this game since Early access and most of my friends that played this game stopped because solos was awful and the devs were were ignoring teammodes back in the day.

The game was in EARLY ACCESS stage when you were playing. The game got more popularity than ever before because it was their OFFICIAL LAUNCH. They're capable of advertising now that its fully released. Revamps of the characters and UI are factors too for the massive changes than the removal of 2 gamemode. It was only done for the queue time boost and nothing else.

Don't forget ALL THE ITEMS were CHANGED and even the CONSUMABLE FOOD/DRINKS were ALTERED yet here you are using this as a propaganda that removal of SOLO is the reason why the game got better when that's NOT TRUE. You like facts and evidence when what you're saying goes beyond your beliefs now.

Цитата допису NeloDante:

The reason of why we are back is entirely because solos is gone and they are now forced to go with squad balancing. Even if he were to bring "you want squads cause you have friends" (lmao if he does), I play also solo and do the unthinkable: I make more friends in game and add them to play with - including new players that I end up teaching.

I actually do have friends, I can make my friends list public temporarily just for your sake to say otherwise. You're into evidence and facts right? How about apply your logic to yourself?

Unlike you who teaches his friend and end up fighting his friend on a different squad because your friend of friend wants to play each other and you get left out or you have different friends to play with and your other friend is the one who gets left out it's just for you to teach up your friend to fight you back and how to get rid of you. Well done.

Цитата допису NeloDante:

This game is by no means what they made before, where characters were just pngs and you couldn't move where mostly was just text based and there were almost no difference between characters thus solos made total sense unlike in ER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CchRwnTorjY

Microsoft Flight Simulator 1.0 is merely a JPG colored instruments. They still are close to what they intend to do in reanacting plane landings and take off and those were the technological limits at that time. Now we have https://www.flightsimulator.com/microsoft-flight-simulator-2024/ and its in 3D same logic and mechanics still but IMPROVED. From still images to 3D models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP-bhfUWEm8&pp=ygUJRG9vbSAxOTkz
Doom series also from flat 2D pixels to 3D gameplay. Guns are there, aiming and killing mobs are there.

THIS ALSO APPLIES IN BLACK SURVIVAL TO ETERNAL RETURN TRANSITION.

SAME GOES FOR THIS GAME. Your same characters are there and the mechanics of going around the map and crafting the same equipment are LITERALLY THERE.

[NeloDante]

Everything is so far fetched lmao, I'm used to autism but this is something else.

[Waryth]

SolO IS unbaLANcEd PLAYErs lIke JOhann caN'T WIN mATCHES BEcause JOhaNn Is NoT meaNt To deSign as SolO

➤ Shows a video of someone winning as Johann even killing Wickeline alone in SOLO

AnD eVeRyTiMe someonE brinG up thE, litEral Words OF the Devs , bACKed by PUblic anD ThEIr own INteRNAL METRIcS After OpeRAtIng FoR NEARly 3 YEARS

yoU HaVe a Hard tiMe COmprEHeNDiNg A ConVeRSAtIoN fOCUS in A TOpiC wHeN IT'S NOT hiDdEn BeHind PARagrAphs Of USelesS TEXT. THE OrigiNaL cONcEpT OF eTErNaL rEtuRN is FaiLiNG, WhiCh iS whY sOlo moDe dOEs nOt ExISt ANYMORe. PLayEr RETeNTIon WaS aT AN alL time LOw

reGARdlESS OF hoW lEnGthY ThE tEXT iS oR HOw HoW maNy DeV stREam lInKS aNyoNe poStS.

➤ Shows statistics of Eternal Return via Steam Chart to counter this outdated fact with the present fact.

HE dOESn't rEAliSe tHAT thE rEAsON OF Why WE HAVe PLayERS Is exactLy BEcausE solOs Is GONe.

➤ Explains that the whole game was revamp from remaking the whole characters skill kit, UI changes and item/consumable changes was also a factor making your statement not reliably true as what you claimed it to be.

I'm used to trolls everywhere I go but this? This sums up the whole playerbase with zero background and experience about the game.

All of you claim I was ignorant to your posts when I quoted EACH OF YOU but the fact remains that NONE of you even posted back to counter my post with the facts of your false facts.

[NeloDante]

One day he'll stop crying, but today, is not that day.