No English dub!!

[Monterossa]

I support Koei Tecmo's decision to stop dubbing this franchise.

I'm buying this game day one.

Reasons why I don't like English dub, even as an option:

1. Because English dub always come with bad, inaccurate translations.

When a game (or movie, drama, anime) gets dubbed in English, most of the time the scripts will be altered to match the dub script, and most translators will use the dub script as subtitles (also known as "dubtitles"). So even if you choose to use the original Japanese audio, you'll get bad subtitles that don't match what the characters say.

2. Because English dub comes with heavy localization.

Japanese honorifics, unique nouns, and basic Japanese words (IE: sakura = cherry blossom, katana = sword, ramen = noodle) will be localized, because it'd be weird to have English voice actors say these words (with terrible pronunciation).

There you have it, the reasons why many people hate English dubs, even as an option.

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Never said we where. Most people, regardless of nationality understand English to a greater degree than Japanese.

An example of this can be found on Steam. There are people from all over the world posting comments here in English.

Point is, if you want your game to sell well, it’s necessary that it supports English audio.

Dear God above (if you exist), hope you see the funny side to this.

...I'm pole, but my native language is Russian, additionally i'm able to speak/understand English and Japanese. So, at this point, should i cry out loud "give us Russian and Polish dub, or no buy at all?"

English-speakers, you are not the center of the universe - Chinese and India are outnumbered English speaking population, so should we demand Indian dub?

Yes you speak Japanese. Can you say this for everyone else? It’s likely they only know English.

English gives the developer more coverage on the global scale. English is better known than Japanese.

AAA games already provide games in polish, russian, etc. They do it because it’s popular and it will help sell the product.

Same applies here, except with lower budget, they can’t provide as many languages. By providing Japanese and English, they reach more people.

[Monterossa]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Dear God above (if you exist), hope you see the funny side to this.

...I'm pole, but my native language is Russian, additionally i'm able to speak/understand English and Japanese. So, at this point, should i cry out loud "give us Russian and Polish dub, or no buy at all?"

English-speakers, you are not the center of the universe - Chinese and India are outnumbered English speaking population, so should we demand Indian dub?

Yes you speak Japanese. Can you say this for everyone else?

English gives the developer more coverage on the global scale. English is better known than Japanese.

And their games have English.... subs. It already met the requirement to sell worldwide.

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Monterossa:

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Yes you speak Japanese. Can you say this for everyone else?

English gives the developer more coverage on the global scale. English is better known than Japanese.

And their games have English.... subs. It already met the requirement to sell worldwide.

It’s already been explained countless times, why that’s incorrect.

Go look up the comments on the other forum.

[Marta Kaiser]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Dear God above (if you exist), hope you see the funny side to this.

...I'm pole, but my native language is Russian, additionally i'm able to speak/understand English and Japanese. So, at this point, should i cry out loud "give us Russian and Polish dub, or no buy at all?"

English-speakers, you are not the center of the universe - Chinese and India are outnumbered English speaking population, so should we demand Indian dub?

Yes you speak Japanese. Can you say this for everyone else?

English gives the developer more coverage on the global scale. English is better known than Japanese.

That's easy: no one is born with different languages knowledge.
If i can, why can't you learn Japanese too?
Oh, stop: because to demand English dub is much easier, than learn different language.

[Marta Kaiser]

Also, we return to basics: Atelier games ARE NOT AAA+ games. It's very niche games, so your comparison is wrong from starting point. Niche products often translated / localized by fans, because localizations are costly. They do rough English translation - but they can don't do it. They even can't make a PC port at all.

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Yes you speak Japanese. Can you say this for everyone else?

English gives the developer more coverage on the global scale. English is better known than Japanese.

That's easy: no one is born with different languages knowledge.
If i can, why can't you learn Japanese too?
Oh, stop: because to demand English dub is much easier, than learn different language.

For the overwhelming majority of English speakers there is no incentive to learn the Japanese language outside of playing this game.

Nobody’s going to learn a whole new language for one game.

There’s are benefits to learning English as a second language. There are reasons why it’s so popular.

Don’t take my word for it:
https://www.studyinternational.com/news/top-5-reasons-to-study-english-as-a-second-language/

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Also, we return to basics: Atelier games ARE NOT AAA+ games. It's very niche games, so your comparison is wrong from starting point. Niche products often translated / localized by fans, because localizations are costly. They do rough English translation - but they can don't do it. They even can't make a PC port at all.

The principal is the same, I suggest you re-read my comment. I mean no disrespect in saying this, it’s just it’s clear you missed my point.

Niche game or not it makes no difference.

[Monterossa]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Also, we return to basics: Atelier games ARE NOT AAA+ games. It's very niche games, so your comparison is wrong from starting point. Niche products often translated / localized by fans, because localizations are costly. They do rough English translation - but they can don't do it. They even can't make a PC port at all.

The principal is the same, I suggest you re-read my comment. I mean no disrespect in saying this, it’s just it’s clear you missed my point.

Niche game or not it makes no difference.

Big difference between mainstream and niche things. Most of niche games aren't dubbed. Even if they do it, it's not gonna last forever and you can't really blame them if they stop doing it one day.

Just like anime. They dub Dragon Ball and other popular shows, but nobody's gonna dub Atelier anime. You can't do anything about that beside crying "no dub, no watch!" and then you can't watch good stuffs. It's your loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mw26Ir_NHc

[Marta Kaiser]

I'm asking myself - why i trying to argue with someone, who miss the difference between niche and triple A games?..

[Marta Kaiser]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

That's easy: no one is born with different languages knowledge.
If i can, why can't you learn Japanese too?
Oh, stop: because to demand English dub is much easier, than learn different language.

For the overwhelming majority of English speakers there is no incentive to learn the Japanese language outside of playing this game.

Nobody’s going to learn a whole new language for one game.

There’s are benefits to learning English as a second language. There are reasons why it’s so popular.

Don’t take my word for it:
https://www.studyinternational.com/news/top-5-reasons-to-study-english-as-a-second-language/

Majority, blah-blah-blah...

Just confess - most of the people in English-speaking world too lazy to learn japanese, because it's too complicated. Much easier to demand something from publisher. Thats all, folks.

And the last tip: if you so lazy to learn language and consider what someone must do translation/dub for you, just because you want it, usually it means only one thing: the product (game/manga/anime/light novel/etc) is not so necessary for you...

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

I'm asking myself - why i trying to argue with someone, who miss the difference between niche and triple A games?..

Like is said it doesn't matter the difference, It's not relevant to the point I made.

Do you think AAA publishers put these additional languages in their games for a laugh?

They know they will actually receive more sales as a result and increase profits.

The only difference between Niche and AAA is total number of languages they support.

Like I said in my last comment, which I can see you still haven’t read, is that if they support English along with the Japanese audio they reach more people, gain more sales, the same way AAA companies do.

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

For the overwhelming majority of English speakers there is no incentive to learn the Japanese language outside of playing this game.

Nobody’s going to learn a whole new language for one game.

There’s are benefits to learning English as a second language. There are reasons why it’s so popular.

Don’t take my word for it:
https://www.studyinternational.com/news/top-5-reasons-to-study-english-as-a-second-language/

Majority, blah-blah-blah...

Just confess - most of the people in English-speaking world too lazy to learn japanese, because it's too complicated. Much easier to demand something from publisher. Thats all, folks.

And the last tip: if you so lazy to learn language and consider what someone must do translation/dub for you, just because you want it, usually it means only one thing: the product (game/manga/anime/light novel/etc) is not so necessary for you...

Once again.

For the overwhelming majority of English speakers there is no incentive to learn the Japanese language outside of playing this game.

Nobody’s going to learn a whole new language for one game.

There’s are benefits to learning English as a second language. There are reasons why it’s so popular.

Don’t take my word for it:
https://www.studyinternational.com/news/top-5-reasons-to-study-english-as-a-second-language/
I posted it again, cause it's clear you didn't read it.

[Monterossa]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

I'm asking myself - why i trying to argue with someone, who miss the difference between niche and triple A games?..

Like is said it doesn't matter the difference, It's not relevant to the point I made.

Do you think AAA publishers put these additional languages in their games for a laugh?

They know they will actually receive more sales as a result and increase profits.

The only difference between Niche and AAA is total number of languages they support.

Like I said in my last comment, which I can see you still haven’t read, is that if they support English along with the Japanese audio they reach more people, gain more sales, the same way AAA companies do.

It's not the same for every product.

Most niche Japanese games have different fanbase from mainstream games. Fans who enjoy playing Atelier are mostly people who prefer Japanese voices, or prefer either Japanese or English (they might use English if possible, but if not, they can live with it and play the game in Japanese).

They probably think that producing English dub might not gain that much more customers, and it costs them too much to make it worth the little extra customers anyway.

Don't forget that KT have the data on their hands, and with Lydie's statistics, they know which direction to take.

[Noire]

Publicado originalmente por Monterossa:

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Like is said it doesn't matter the difference, It's not relevant to the point I made.

Do you think AAA publishers put these additional languages in their games for a laugh?

They know they will actually receive more sales as a result and increase profits.

The only difference between Niche and AAA is total number of languages they support.

Like I said in my last comment, which I can see you still haven’t read, is that if they support English along with the Japanese audio they reach more people, gain more sales, the same way AAA companies do.

It's not the same for every product.

Most niche Japanese games have different fanbase from mainstream games. Fans who enjoy playing Atelier are mostly people who prefer Japanese voices, or prefer either Japanese or English (they might use English if possible, but if not, they can live with it and play the game in Japanese).

They probably think that producing English dub might not gain that much more customers, and it costs them too much to make it worth the little extra customers anyway.

I agree that there may be a segment of the fanbase that shares your sentiment, however you have to admit that the lost sales for the Firis vs Liddy was significant and that it’s possible that the lack of an English DUB contributed greatly to these dismal sales.

We both lack the actual figures but I’d say it’s fair to assume that there was a lot of dissatisfaction with it’s removal.

While there is a cost, you can’t keep removing features, there is little game left as it is.

Publicado originalmente por Monterossa:

Don't forget that KT have the data on their hands, and with Lydie's statistics, they know which direction to take.

That’s why fewer and fewer people are buying it, right.

[Marta Kaiser]

Publicado originalmente por Glitter Peace:

Publicado originalmente por Marta Kaiser:

I'm asking myself - why i trying to argue with someone, who miss the difference between niche and triple A games?..

The only difference between Niche and AAA is total number of languages they support.

Oh, boy...

I give up, because you don't understood the basics.