VLAVE enough with the MANDATORY NINJA GAME UPDATES, already! They're screwing over the modding community...

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thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 4:57pm

VLAVE enough with the MANDATORY NINJA GAME UPDATES, already! They're screwing over the modding community...

I must have spent over 150hrs modding GTAV and writing mods for it. Playing GTAV Offline without my mods is just not an option for me. I like being given a heads up about my game needing an update and the ability to decide when and if at all, to update it. Not this instant update system that happens in the background without my knowledge or consent (since I can't turn it off or change anything about it) that literally throws a monkey wrench into all the mods I've worked so hard to maintain whenever Rockstar puts out an update (and that's practically every month).

For example, I can't play GTAV on the same day it gets update because the ScriptHook mod (the foundation of all the script based mods in GTAV) needs to be updated with each GTAV update. I'd like the option to wait a week for the ScriptHook dev to update his mod before updating. Should that dev stop updating his mod, I would not want to update at all. I also can't keep track with which of my modded files were overwritten and need to have the mods reinstalled in if I'm not prepared for it. In the end, this copy is in my PC and I own it, the final say on it's update regiment is up to me. Yet you guys act like you own my PC and that this decision is rightfully yours.

Valve I can't image you're not very well aware of the modding community or our needs. Anyone who deved something as original and revolutionary as Half Life 2, BlackMesa, SteamWorkshop are modders at heart. So what's with this very-Anti-modder stance you've taken? It's as if you're trying to force the modding to go through through steamworkshop chanels.

I bought GTAV full price because I want to support Rockstar: I think the amount of decation they put on their games is precious and should be rewarded with purchase at full price. I bought GTAV on Steam instead of directly from R* social club because want to support Valve. I didn't buy my license from Russian websites which sell them alot cheaper and I don't believe in pirating games (even though it's very is easy and very free) because I want to support you guys. It would be very nice if such support was reciprocated instead of punished.

Last edited by thebunnyrules; Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:33pm

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DocShady Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:01pm

You need to speak to Rockstar about the updates, not Valve

Satoru Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:08pm

There are no 'ninja' updates. Talk with Rockstar about them

wuddih Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:22pm

since your problem/question is most likely to be related to a game and not with Steam, you should state your issue on the games own board:
http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/#games

thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:35pm

Originally posted by DocShady:
You need to speak to Rockstar about the updates, not Valve

Valve has mandatory updates on all their games, not just Rockstars. This is a valve policy. There is nothing wrong with frequent updates, just steam implementation.

thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:36pm

Originally posted by wuddih:
since your problem/question is most likely to be related to a game and not with Steam, you should state your issue on the games own board:
http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/#games

what do you mean I don't have problem with steam and is this not the discussion forum? guys stop trying to pass this off as a Rocstar issue. It's a steam issue.

fluxtorrent Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:37pm

the developers have options for updates, they "can" choose to disable mandatory updates. Steam doesnt forve them to use it.

thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:38pm

Originally posted by Satoru:
There are no 'ninja' updates. Talk with Rockstar about them

Updates are mandatory on all steam games. What would talking to Rockstar accomplish. I don't want them to stop updating because steam has wanky update policy. That just doesn't make sense.

thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:39pm

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
the developers have options for updates, they "can" choose to disable mandatory updates. Steam doesnt forve them to use it.

there should be NO MANDATORY updates on ANY GAMES! It shouldn't be up to the developpers. It should be up to the user as the game license and copy are his property upon purchase. Mandatory updates is a new trend that's surfaced in the last few years. It should be fought. Not accepted. This is yet another example of developers trying to wrench control out of the end users hands.

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fluxtorrent Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:39pm

Originally posted by thebunnyrules:
Originally posted by Satoru:
There are no 'ninja' updates. Talk with Rockstar about them

Updates are mandatory on all steam games. What would talking to Rockstar accomplish. I don't want them to stop updating because steam has wanky update policy. That just doesn't make sense.

Except they arent. 7dtd and many others have options to use older versions. Your ignorance of that fact is not our problem. Mandatory updates are up to the developer.

thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:44pm

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Originally posted by thebunnyrules:

Updates are mandatory on all steam games. What would talking to Rockstar accomplish. I don't want them to stop updating because steam has wanky update policy. That just doesn't make sense.
Except they arent. 7dtd and many others have options to use older versions. Your ignorance of that fact is not our problem. Mandatory updates are up to the developer.

My ignorance of the fine caveats steam update policy is besides the main point: THERE SHOULD BE NO MANDATORY UPDATES on anything. It shouldn't be up to the devs. It's my PC, I should manage it the way I want to.

Last edited by thebunnyrules; Dec 15, 2015 @ 5:45pm

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fluxtorrent Dec 15, 2015 @ 6:06pm

Originally posted by thebunnyrules:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Except they arent. 7dtd and many others have options to use older versions. Your ignorance of that fact is not our problem. Mandatory updates are up to the developer.

My ignorance of the fine caveats steam update policy is besides the main point: THERE SHOULD BE NO MANDATORY UPDATES on anything. It shouldn't be up to the devs. It's my PC, I should manage it the way I want to.

You liscence the product, they own it.
The decision is theirs.
It is your pc and you can manage it how you want. Plenty of options there. Take it offline, put steam in offline mode. But its their game and they can manage it how THEY want.

Don't like it, well thats your problem.

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Linerax Dec 15, 2015 @ 6:08pm

Originally posted by thebunnyrules:
Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Except they arent. 7dtd and many others have options to use older versions. Your ignorance of that fact is not our problem. Mandatory updates are up to the developer.

My ignorance of the fine caveats steam update policy is besides the main point: THERE SHOULD BE NO MANDATORY UPDATES on anything. It shouldn't be up to the devs. It's my PC, I should manage it the way I want to.

"2. LICENSES

A. General Content and Services License

Steam and your Subscription(s) require the automatic download and installation of Content and Services onto your computer. Valve hereby grants, and you accept, a non-exclusive license and right, to use the Content and Services for your personal, non-commercial use (except where commercial use is expressly allowed herein or in the applicable Subscription Terms). This license ends upon termination of (a) this Agreement or (b) a Subscription that includes the license. The Content and Services are licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Content and Services. To make use of the Content and Services, you must have a Steam Account and you may be required to be running the Steam client and maintaining a connection to the Internet.

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Steam may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time. You consent to such automatic updating. You understand that this Agreement (including applicable Subscription Terms) does not entitle you to future updates, new versions or other enhancements of the Content and Services associated with a particular Subscription, although Valve may choose to provide such updates, etc. in its sole discretion."

Oh, try to test the Subscriber Agreement you agreed upon.

Last edited by Linerax; Dec 15, 2015 @ 6:11pm

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thebunnyrules Dec 15, 2015 @ 6:15pm

Originally posted by fluxtorrent:
Originally posted by thebunnyrules:

My ignorance of the fine caveats steam update policy is besides the main point: THERE SHOULD BE NO MANDATORY UPDATES on anything. It shouldn't be up to the devs. It's my PC, I should manage it the way I want to.
You liscence the product, they own it.
The decision is theirs.
It is your pc and you can manage it how you want. Plenty of options there. Take it offline, put steam in offline mode. But its their game and they can manage it how THEY want.

Don't like it, well thats your problem.

That's just a load of bull. This isn't a rental that's residing in my pc. I don't own the software as in I can't for example resell the game. But they can't go into my PC and modify my copy which is located on my propery and force updates without my consent either. That's the way virus behave.

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