Why do people hate BlackBox/Conch?

[meleo]

Both playing with it and against it, I dont see why it's OP. Why do people complain about it?

[Ravenant]

People see it as a cheap loadout for the extreme health tanking it can provide, and can help newbie Soldiers survive for longer than they could otherwise.

I don't personally mind it very much but I can see where people who do come from on the matter.

[trash]

easy low risk weapons for an already easy low risk class

[Tsar Butterfly]

Getting infinite health regen and increased speed with the only downsides being one less rocket and no shotgun isn't exactly balanced if you ask me.

[TigerKirby215]

Because it allows people to stick in the fight for longer,
and do nothing else of any real use.

I use the Black Box, but I also use the Battalion's Backup.
Because the extra 20 health (and extra 10% heal from medkits. Math and numbers!) goes a lot further than 1 HP regen per second.

And, you know,
reduced damage is at least 50 times more useful than lifesteal.

[Professional Gator Hugger]

It usually indicates noobiness, as in a lack of desire to iimprove. People don't like it for the same reason they don't like a child getting a poor education. Doesn't really affect them, but it's a sad sight.

[Professional Gator Hugger]

Originally posted by Goen 2 Ti5 TigerKirby215:

Because it allows people to stick in the fight for longer,
and do nothing else of any real use.

I use the Black Box, but I also use the Battalion's Backup.
Because the extra 20 health (and extra 10% heal from medkits. Math and numbers!) goes a lot further than 1 HP regen per second.

And, you know,
reduced damage is at least 50 times more useful than lifesteal.

That's actually my loadout. I discovered it from Strange Backup.

[meleo]

I usualy use this loadout whenever I feel like spawncamping alone.

[Such WOW]

People get mad because black box soldiers can stand in fights for like periods of time while you scramble for health

[Joseph Stalin]

But you only gain 15 health...

[Tsar Butterfly]

Originally posted by Redmond Mercenary:

But you only gain 15 health...

+2 health per second from the Concheror's passive effect.
+Half of the damage you deal returned as health (about 50 a rocket) when the Concheror is activated.

So, let's say you have both equipped, and are receiving both bonus from the Concheror. 3 rockets is 45 health, if they do 100 damage each, that's an extra 150 health, and it takes 2.4 seconds to fire all three rockets, an extra 4 health, combining to a total of 199 HP healed in less than 3 seconds, meaning that a Soldier at 1 HP is able to completely heal himself of every little cut. Even without the Concheror being activated, it's still around 50 HP per 3 shots, or one quarter of the Soldier's HP

[snowbird]

because people are trash and complain

[Crooked_Mantis]

Originally posted by NO MAINEAS MANOS:

because people are trash and complain

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Because apparently a Soldier with only 3 rockets and 2hp per second regeneration is somehow worse than a Soldier with 4 rockets and a Shotgun.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Originally posted by Ravenant:

People see it as a cheap loadout for the extreme health tanking it can provide, and can help newbie Soldiers survive for longer than they could otherwise.

I don't personally mind it very much but I can see where people who do come from on the matter.

yes plus tanking is sorta heavy's thing
its a big ♥♥♥♥ you to all heavy mains

[Omnipresent Oatmeal]

Originally posted by Bishop the Black:

Because apparently a Soldier with only 3 rockets and 2hp per second regeneration is somehow worse than a Soldier with 4 rockets and a Shotgun.

It's not really that the blackbox/conch is worse. It's simply annoying to fight.
I can kill a Stock/Stock/EscapePlan Soldier with Stock/Stock/EscapePlan in two rockets if I land both on him. That turns to three if I hit him with the blast radius, or four if I miss completely.
Blackbox/conch turns that theoretical two rockets into an almost certain three. The three from above turns to four, and the four can turn to five. This is discounting crits, and is also assuming that no one gets a random crit or has overheal/an active medic.